I’d love to try your product. It sounds like the answer to my prayers - since I actually walked out in the middle of a hygenist appointment two weeks ago because of the pain, and the hygenist’s lack of understanding. That scraping just seems so barbaric. Surely, I’ve been saying, something can dissolve the tartar. So I googled, I found you, right in San Diego where I am. Now I’m just looking for more evidence that I should really trust your product not to hurt my teeth more, or cause some new problem. And not to contain any toxic materials - I’ve not found a list of the ingredients on your site. I know you are trying to patent it, so are not so interesting in revealing your secrets. But how can I feel more secureabout you, not really knowing who you are?
Tartar is a poorly structured accumulation of fossilized bacteria and debris. It is glued together by calcium phosphate salts. It can easily be compared to lime deposits on pipes which are comprised of insoluble calcium carbonate.
How do you rid your pipes of deposits? Scrape them with a tiny metal instrument? Of course not. You buy a water softening system which chelates the calcium carbonate away, day after day without damaging the pipes.
OK, what about tartar? Here is where Periogen steps in. Periogen is sold in powder form which quickly dissolves in the reservoir of your oral irrigator for easy application.
Periogen’s first active ingredient is Tetrapotassium Pyrophosphate (TKPP), a safe oral cleanser found in several toothpastes. It is designed to clean as much bio-film as possible from teeth in order to expose raw tartar. The next ingredient is Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STPP) which is combined with a tiny amount of fluoride (as an ion source) which reacts with the Calcium Phosphate particles by exchanging ions - electrically neutralizing them thereby releasing one or more layers of fossilized bacteria which float away. This process is nicknamed “sluffing.”
Each application sluffs more tartar layers away, until all tartar is dissolved. Continued occasional use keeps tartar from coming back. The amount of applications needed to dissolve all tartar varies with the amount of tartar accumulated, but our experience is once a day for 90 days is enough to rid your teeth of all offensive tartar Periogen has come in contact with, both above and below the gum line.
Our other ingredients are sodium bicarbonate and citric acid which are used for pH control and product delivery purposes. Feel free to Google all these ingredients and you will see they come straight out of the dental industry and enjoy a “safe” rating by the FDA.
The only question remaining is “Why wasn’t this invented sooner?”
The development team at Global Tonic, LLC is comprised of engineers, chemists and retired dentists.
We stand by our product Periogen and offer a no-questions-asked money back guarantee.
Ok, I was up to day three with the results looking subtly promising, and now my brand new water pick seems to be malfunctioning - it is making a noise like an alarm clock buzzing, with no water coming out. Do you know of a fix for this, am I doing something wrong, or do I have to return it? (I got it from you)
That noise sounds normal- it is trying to prime itself. Make sure the reservoir is solidly down on the base, you have water in it, and the tip is in the sink BELOW the Waterpik, and turn it on. When water starts to flow you can use it like normal.
If you want to never hear that noise again, don’t ever remove reservoir and instead fill it with a separate cup and try not to run it out completely during use. (that’s what I do.)
These are really good machines and I have never heard of one breaking. If it has broke, I’ll send you out another one.
Just wanted to post here about my progress, since I am the lone blogging guinea pig… The Global Tonic people were quick to replace my waterpic when their suggestions didn’t solve the problem. The new one’s been working great. I’ve been fairly dilgently using it with the Periogen for a month now…. making a fool of myself at the sink trying to master the perfect technique - my kids think it is hilarious! My tooth and gum pain is definitely reduced, I would say it is maybe 20% of what it was a month ago. I can still feel rough spots at the gum line but they too are greatly reduced, certainly less than half of what they were. I’m looking forward to seeing the promise come true - 90 days to eliminate any tartar below the gumline. Two months to go…
How can irrigation get far under the gumline? Most of the periodontal litereature shows very poor penetration to the bottom of periodontal pockets, even when a dentist is aiming an irrigating device into the pocket. Are there any actual studies showing the efficacy of your specific product? Please send or post references. Thank you- Kevan Green
The Waterpik Ultra WP100 comes with a periodontal tip they call the PikPocket. Waterpik states 6mm of penetration. See them at www.waterpik.com. If you have pockets much deeper than that, they should get individual attention with our 12mm deep pocket applicator. We carry everything you need.
A clinical study of Periogen is underway at a major US university, the details of which will be announced soon.
I had been living with peridontal desease for a few years. I tried many natural and traditional methods of treatment. I was told that I should have my teeth pulled and wear dentures. The traditional dentist gave me no hope at all. Most of the measurements of my pockets were 6 or 9’s. I was spending a fortune getting my teeth cleaned and scaled every three months. Still I was told I had a tremendous amount of plaque. I flossed and watched what I ate. Still my teeth bled and occasionally had tooth aches. I already loss three molers and now to my horror I developed an abcess in my right I tooth. I was getting depressed and desparate. But I was determined to save the rest of my teeth!! I prayed on it and looked on the internet for solutions. I found Global Tonic. I thought it was a sign because I was born and raise in San Diego and more specifically in the North County where Global Tonic is located. I called and spoke with someone who gave me a lot of hope.
I ordered the starter package and started the first of August 2007. I saw some promising results within one week. The bleeding stopped and the swelling started going done within two weeks. I have been using this miracle product for about 90 days now and the abcess is completely gone, teeth are tightening and gums are feeling and looking great. I do the treatment at night before bedtime and my mouth and breath still feel fresh in the morning. I cancelled my appt for my 3 month cleaning . I kept my appt for the 6 month checkup in Nov because I can’t wait to see the reaction from my hygienst. I let you know how it goes. My prayers have been answered. Thank you sooo much Global Tonics. You saved me.
That’s great news. You are improving right on schedule.
If you are like other Periogen users, your improvement will continue during the next few months. At about six months, your pocket depth will close up nearing the limit of your mouth’s ability to heal itself in the short term. Your next dental appointment will be important in that if all your pockets have closed to 6mm and under, you are home free - as your Waterpik WP100 + Periogen use will keep the tartar and infection out of your pockets indefinitely. You then may choose to reduce your Periogen applications to once or twice per week.
I’m about a week into using Periogen. Still too early to tell, but it seems to be working. Not clear how much is due to Periogen vs. WP + Pik Pocket, but it does seem to be having an effect on tartar along the gumline, and possibly even above the gumline (I normally accumulate tartar very quickly). Could be Hawthorne Effect, of course, as I’m paying extremely close attention to my dental hygine generally in connection with trying Periogen.
Some questions/comments:
1. When will the clinical study be conducted? I see that you’ve registered a study, but no info online about when/how it’s going to be conducted.
2. Did you realize that the only place you disclose that it’s a powder (and not, say, a dissolving tablet) is on this blog? This was a bit of a surprise, and measuring it out is a bit fiddly and I’ve spilled a fair bit in the sink.
3. I found using the pik pocket to have something of a learning curve, but I’m getting the hang of it now.
4. Should I expect to see improvement in above-the-gumline tartar, or am I just imagining this?
Hi there, A periodontist friend of mine told me about your product. I’d really like to know more about it. I own a yahoo group for periodontists, hygienists and dentists who like to chat about periodontal therapy and I’d really like you to join and chat with us about this new product. We do have an open mind and would like to know more! Here’s the address: www.yahoogroups.com/group/periotherapist. I look forward to hearing from you. Lynne Slim, RDH, MS
Congratulations on the clinical study at Harvard! I have been an avid follower of Periogen for a few years now and have heard rumors of the pending trial but they have not been confirmed until now. I love the pipe cleaning analogy.
Good luck and I look forward to the trial results next spring.
So, FYI, things went pretty well at my cleaning/checkup — still some tartar to scrape, but without prompting, my hygenist said there was a major improvement and suggested putting me on a less frequent cleaning schedule. MUCH less bleeding than usual. I do have one 6 mm pocket that doesn’t seem to have been addressed, I suspect that the Pik Pocket isn’t quite getting to the bottom of it, so I’ve ordered the Pocketflush.
Still curious about the details on the study — someone posted about a Harvard study, what’s the scoop? Also, there seems to be another product called Periogen that’s some sort of implant?
I’m glad to here about your progress. When they lessen your cleaning frequency you are winning the battle.
An Indian company likes our name Periogen and has begun to use it. We have complained, but it’s pretty lawless over there from an intellectual-property standpoint. Their product is bone regenerative in nature. Hope it works and that they find a good name for it!
Yes, we have a study pending at Harvard. They are talking about January to start. I will publish the study protocol when I’m allowed.
I am not sure if I am a good cantidate for your product or not. I had crowns on my sixteen front teeth about two years ago.. I have always cared for my teeth, brushing and flossing daily. However, I have cut my gums at times with the floss and it normally stops bleeding within a halfhour or so. My present problem is I have had some degree of bleeding from between my canains and first bicuspids only on the upper teeth for about two weeks.. I take a blood thinner which is regulated very well and aspirine. . I have stopped the asprine. Bleeding is minimal as evidenced by a CBC. I wonder if there is anything that I can do to increase the firmness of my gums whereby I can use dental floss without causing the bleeding..
First of all, what does your dentist say? Dentists are your experts.
Periogen is best used in concert with traditional treatments for various levels of periodontal disease, primarily those caused by tartar accumulation. If your dentist tells you that your bleeding is tartar related – Periogen will most assuredly help with the bleeding. Additionally, minor infections are reported to be eliminated with regular use, as Periogen is also an effective anti-microbial compound.
You may also find that Waterpik use alone may provide some relief. If you buy a Waterpik Ultra from us, I’ll give you a sample bottle of Periogen and you can see for yourself what works best. If you order, please remind me in the comments section on check out.
I have a very advanced periodontal condition, which I have been maintaining for 23 years. I have had periodontal surgery five times. I still have five and six millimeter pockets all over my mouth.
My condition is so sever that I have been spending about five hours a day cleaning my teeth. That includes brushing, proxy brushing and flossing after every meal, cleaning to a polish every surface of every tooth after every meal. It was the only way that I could save my teeth. I have been living as a prisoner of my condition.
I started using Periogen just about two months ago. My teeth haven’t been this clean in a long time. I still have several pockets which still feel like they have some tarter in them, but I think that I am reducing the deposits gradually. My teeth have not been scraped since I started using the Periogen.
Over the years I have tried: goldenseal packed around the teeth all night, olive oil administered with prayers; with the waterpik: listerine, salt, backing soda, hydrogen peroxide, glycerin, iodine… I can’t remember what else. Many of these things had beneficial effects, but none of them removed the tarter.
I am now spending only about two to two and a half hours a day cleaning my teeth and I think that amount of time will be reduced even more when I get the last pockets completely clean.
Periogen is the first really promising product that I have seen.
Hi
I bloged sometime last fall and am so happy about the results I am having with PERIOGEN. I said I had an appt set up in November for a cleaning. The hygenist kept saying, well its not perfect but there is a lot of improvement.Then as she started measuring the pockets she became more inquisitive about what I was using. I told her but she pretty much ignored what I was telling her. She actually said “sometimes things get better and we don’t know why, then they will get worse again. I told that I was sure that was not going to happen. She seemed to be very puzzled but did extend my cleaning from every 3 months to 6 months. Oh yeah the pockets measured 3 and 4 and one 6 form 6 and 9!!
She is a good hygenist in a limited sort of way. I just found the whole incident rather amusing. I left the office with a smile on my face.
Another question though. Can I use perigen on my dog. She is 13 and has a lot of tarter build up. I don’t want to put her under general anethesia because of her age. I just concerned if she swallows some of the Periogen. Would that hurt her? Could I make a paste with another product and just rub on the teeth and gums then wipe it off? Please advise.
Evelyn B
I have tried every product and followed my dentist’s recommendation, but until Periogen, nothing worked. My gums are as healthy as they ever were. Thank you!!! Your offer of free Periogen is great! I’ll be doing my friends and family a great service and get something in return.
Your product sounds very ,very interesting. I do have a few questions though.
1. Is there any risk of Periogen dissolving the cementum or enamel of your teeth?
2.To what degree, if any, can Periogen restore clinical attachment, reduce PD, induce alveolar bone regrowth, etc; on a 2nd mandibular molar with a 5 mm vertical pocket and 5mm horizontal grade II furcation?
3. The tooth described above was recently rootplaned and has been ultrasonically scaled quite frequently. Irrigation is being performed daily and often twice daily with Water-Pik using H20 with H2O2 and/or salt and baking soda. The pocket is also irrigated deeply every day with .02% chlorhexidine gluconate or H2O2 using a nylon tipped cannula some hours after Water-Pik irrigation.
4 Recently, and only upon WaterPik irrigation, this tooth’s pocket emits an unusual odour until it is flushed out, yet the periodontist says there are no signs whatsoever of any infection present. However, the periodontist prescribed 400mg bid each of metronidazole and ciprofloxacin for 10 days. This did not stop the odour which, again, only appears upon irrigating the pocket. Can Periogen stop this problem for me?
Thanks for your help! (I hope I did not accidentally post this twice!
This is a first time contact and I have to admit, I’m not much of a blogger.
My story about my gum dilema is such a long one with alot of twists and turns and find it difficult to chop the story down and still do justice.
Keeping it brief - 9 months ago, I sat in a dentists office with two very loose teeth (back molar and dropped front tooth) and infected gum tissue. He wanted to pull them both and then have the scaling done by the hygenist. I set up an appt. to have them pulled and went home and cried and prayed. I’ve always been a fighter in life and I couldn’t accept the thought of loosing my two God given teeth without a fight since the dentist would not replace the molar with anything and only give me a fake retainer tooth for the front one.
I got on the internet and did my homework. I read alot of stuff. I ordered a bottle of the Periogen and an irrigator with the special tips and the next day cancelled my appointment to get my teeth pulled. After a couple weeks on Periogen, my gums and teeth started feeling better.. I went back to the dentist to have him file down the front tooth, because it was hard to eat with it hanging down. For the first 2 to 3 months I used periogen daily, lots of warm salt water rinses, herbal toothpastes and the irrigator. I got the infection under control and my gums slowly started turning pink. The pain and bleeding in my gums started diminishing and gum pockets reducing. Every 2 wks. or so, my teeth would shift. I kept pushing on my front tooth to try and get it back in place. I worked my way to using Periogen down to every other day. 5 mths. later, I bought me a Night Guard and cut it up to mold around my top front teeth only to stabalize my front tooth at night. I also started using Dr. Katz Periotherapy toothpaste and rinse. A month ago, I had my teeth cleaned. Both the dentist and dental hygenist are kinda of dumbfounded by the route I took, but I still have all my teeth with no infections and I never had to take any antibiotics and no scaling.
My 2 teeth are still a little loose because I lost alot of bone around them but they still function.
Periogen worked great for me and I still use it a couple times a week for maintenance. My next cleaning is in June.
I can tell you what I know. In answer to your questions:
1. Cementum is damaged by pathogens excreted from certain bacteria, and occasionally from careless root planing. Periogen acts only on dental calculus, a loose accumulation of calcium phosphate salts and debris. Enamel is unaffected.
2. With the elimination of calculus, the primary home of destructive bacteria, periodontal pockets are free to close to the level of existing cementum. We have documented pocket closures of 12mm to 6mm, 8mm to 5mm, 6mm to 4mm, and 5mm to 3mm. Not more than 50% of closures, in any case, have been due the reduction of inflammation. These closures have all been maintained indefinitely with routine maintenance use (two applications per week) of Periogen.
Periogen contains no bone-regenerative ingredients; any that occurs is natural.
3. We have tested Hydrogen Peroxide as well as its big brother Chlorhexidine Gluconate, against Periogen. All are strong anti-microbials and work about the same with regard to infection; however, as for calculus dissolution, only Periogen works. Also, it is not advised to use H2O2 or Chlorhexidine for more than 90 days. Periogen is comprised of polyphosphates which can be applied daily – in perpetuity is needed.
4. Deep pockets often excrete “grassland” odors which are caused by natural processes from the bottom of even healthy pockets. After a day or so, these pockets may fester and infection follows. We have found that daily irrigation with Periogen decreases and eliminates this problem, although this pathology is not yet fully understood.
A few comments. You say amazing results within a few days but then there are people who are taking Periogen for months. How can you tell within a few days if there’s anything happening? Does tartar have a particular taste or smell when it is disolving so that you know that it is?
Have you tried testing Himalayan salt brine against Periogen? “If used consistently, your teeth will become whiter, and tartar will dissolve.” [using salt brine] Maybe the salt brine can be used in conjunction with the Periogen if it’s at all effective in the long run.
Sounds like you have a great product that will help people get off the dental merry-go-round. Well done!
I’m going to give Periogen a try as I have one deep pocket that hasn’t improved. Andrew
Thank you, Andrew, for submitting these good comments and questions. Let me address them:
1. The “amazing results in a few days” are from two factors. The first is that Periogen has strong anti-microbial qualities, so infection diminishes immediately. The second is that the upper disease layers of sub-gingival tartar are easily dissolved by Periogen as they are the least “cemented.” Pain from infection is noticeably reduced in a few days after Periogen use has begun. People using Periogen daily for months are completely eliminating tartar accumulation, and enjoying infection-free gums all the while.
Only your dentist, preferably one equipped with a microscopic Perioscope, can confirm tartar dissolution in periodontal pockets. If you own a periodontal probe, you can confirm for yourself any pocket reduction from reduced inflammation and pocket re-attachment. (We do not claim to completely eliminate periodontal pockets; but a healthy, tartar-free pocket will naturally reduce to the best state it can, depending on existing cementum.)
2. Any salt, including table salt, combined with an ion source, can act as a tartar dissolver. I don’t believe any dental professional, however, would recommend irrigating gums with salt. We use a safe dental industry ingredient, Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STPP) to get the job done.
3. There are many factors to the “dental merry-go-round” as you aptly put it. Periogen simply eliminates one vital link in the chain, subgingival tartar, thus breaking that seemingly never-ending cycle.
Yes, this product saved my gums!!! Prior to using Periogen my Dentist
was treating me for gingival inflammation. I used Periogen daily as
instructed and on my next visit(4 to 6 month later) to the Dentist he told
me their were no more signs of inflammation in my gums and that my gums looked great. He told me to continue doing what i was doing.
Thanks a lot.
Before using Periogen I had very deep pockets that my dentist insisted that only surgery could fix.
I started using Periogen religiously in the morning and at night, I even applied some to my toothbrush. After 30 days I went back to my dentist who was amazed at how much the size of my pockets had reduced. I love this product my gums feel healthier and even though I still have some pockets my gums are nowhere near the condition they were in before using Periogen.
I will never tire of posts such as yours. Good that your keep your dentist in the loop, as he or she remains the final arbiter of your dental health. A good periodontist may be the final solution to your remaining stubborn deep pockets, but isn’t it nice to have time to make some choices?!
Quick question, I have severe pockets and see my hygienist every 3 months. I’ve been keeping it pretty much in check by brushing, flossing and using the waterpik. Can you tell me if this will clog my waterpik and also what is the best way to clean the reservoir and tips? Can bone loss be reversed? sorry for all the questions, but looking for any answers. Thanks
Periogen would likely improve your common pocket situation. You’d find out for certain at your next 90 day cleaning!
Periogen will not clog your Waterpik – and we have never had any report to the contrary. Sometimes mouthwash can leave a residue, and clog up the tips. In that case you soak parts in, and flush with, hot water. You will not need that process with Periogen.
I occasionally read about reversing bone loss. This question is best directed to experts like at periotherapist@yahoogroups.com.
I was told by my dentist that I would definitely need root scaling and maybe oral surgery. I then searched the net and found Periogen so I ordered the waterpik ultra and Periogen. Two months later I returned to the dentist and they could not belief the improvement in my gums. They don’t want to see me for a year now. Thanks so much!
Hello! My name is Ronda D’Angelo, and I wanted to let you know how much I LOVE, your product. I wish you could have been there when I went to my Periodontist, for the first time after starting Periogen. They were speechless! These are the people who drained me for about $20,000 for 7 surgeries, that did nothing for me. I really wish that I would have known about your product before I went through the surgery hell. It was the worst. My Periodontist was so shocked, that they wanted to see an empty bottle of mine, and wanted to know more about it. I gave them your web-site, so they could get more information. They have been telling their patients about it, and also told them the success I have had using it. My pockets have closed up some, and I still use it pretty much every day, at least until my pockets close up a little more, then I will go to every other day. I did get your email about free Periogen, for sending new customers to you, but I have no idea who any of the patients are, that my Periodontist has told about it. I really do not personally know anyone who would need to use this. If I do, I promise to let them know about it. I also wanted to ask you a question??? My second shipment of Periogen, was very crystallized, and not like my first and third shipments, which were more of a powder. I still used both bottles, but to me, it seemed like it may have been defective in some way. It was crystallized, and not powdery at all. Do you know why it could have been that way? I just thought that I would ask you. I am starting to get low on my Periogen, so I will need to order soon. I have a ton of unexpected medical bills–not covered by insurance-for my son. He has 2 more appointments this week, to add to the total. As soon as I get caught up, I can assure you, that I will order from you right away. Thanks for a Fantastic product! It has been a dream come true for me. Thanks!
I have been on the receiving end of those surgeries too; it’s difficult to describe the months of post surgical discomfort, isn’t it?! I was led to believe that the surgeries were a permanent fix, only to be told a year later that I needed round two! It has been over two years since that moment, and Periogen has saved be from the scalpel.
Glad that you too, are now getting relief with Periogen.
That shipment of Periogen that seemed more crystallized than the others was from a production run where we left some ingredients in a rougher form (on purpose). We didn’t fall in love with that derivation and returned to a more finely milled finished product after that. All bottles of Periogen released are functionally equivalent, though.
Don’t worry about you next order, because it’s on us. It will ship Monday.
I’ve read your blog. I’m going to try out your product. I would love to be able to read more about how to use your product, as this info is missing from the website. If it is a powder, what is the amount that you use? How long will 3 bottles last? Thanks, I’m hopeful this is the alternative to a gum graft.
The instructions for Periogen are located on the bottle label. Each bottle contains a small one gram spoon which provides about 45 applications.
We recommend one to two applications per day via an oral irrigator (we recommend a Waterpik Ultra). As your condition improves, usually within a few weeks, you may reduce applications to once a day. We recommend 90 days of daily use followed by a visit to your dentist for re-evaluation.
I’m a young woman in my 20’s who’s been fighting periodontal disease for a few years due to a genetic predisposition and past orthodontic work that left my gums susceptible. I had painful periodontal surgery a couple of years ago which temporarily solved the problem of swollen, bleeding gums for about 2 years thereafter. Then in August of 2007, my gums flared up again more aggressively than before. I could hardly eat or drink without pain. My gums literally poured blood everytime I ate, brushed, or flossed. I was miserable and losing weight. This lasted for about 2.5 months, even after trips to the periodontist and dentist. It seems their metal tools just couldn’t reach far enough below the gum line to remove the tartar that had caused the inflammation. I was afraid I’d be in for another surgery or worse—tooth loss (which is crazy because I have never had a cavity in my life, I brush & floss after every meal, and rinse with Listerine twice daily!)
ENTER PERIOGEN! I went online desperate to find a solution to end my suffering. I read some testimonials and purchased the product with some skepticism, and a lot of desperation. It was the best $100 I ever spent! The first night I used Periogen with the water Pik ultra my teeth and gums felt cleaner than they’d ever felt before. I woke up the next morning and immediately noticed that my pain had been significantly reduced (for months I awoke to painfully inflamed gums making talking very difficult).
I brushed my teeth and much to my surprise, the bleeding had also significantly decreased. I continued using Periogen, and within about 2 weeks, all of the bleeding had subsided and most of the inflammation was gone. Another month yielded even more improvements and my gums began to heal and form healthy tissue, even in my most problematic areas, where my pocket depths were 5-6 mm, even after surgery.
After my last visit to the dentist in December 2007, my pocket depths were reduced to 3-4 mm (a huge improvement for someone whose pockets ONLY imrpoved with surgery).
Now in February of 2008, I continue to use Periogen once a day every other day, still working on one last trouble spot which is just slightly inflamed. Periogen has completely resolved ALL of my other trouble spots (and there were MANY—in fact, between every single tooth I had serious perio pockets, including the hardest to reach super deep perio pocket between my back molars that was full of tartar deep below the gum line).
Each night, I look forward to the refreshing, pulsating jet stream of Periogen to conclude my daily dental hygiene ritual. I sleep better at night and awaken in the morning with much fresher breath than I ever thought possible. $100 for Periogen certainly beats a couple thousand bucks on painful perio surgery. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND PERIOGEN FOR ANYONE WITH PERIODONTAL DISEASE!!! FIVE THUMBS UP!
I’ve received the Periogen and it feels real good in the mouth. I guess the tartar bacteria aren’t too happy though cause I feel them screaming!
Following up on your comment on my last question. Actually more holistic dentists would recommend rinsing with a salt solution and the Himalayan brine solution would make it that much better in my opinion as there wouldn’t be any abrasion from the salt. But I do believe Periogen is an even better solution for people with tartar build up at least in the short term.
Here’s another tip. If you have an abscess try eating plenty of raw cashews or raw cashew butter as well as keeping the area clean. The oil will draw out your abscess in no time - within a day or two and the cashews taste pretty good too.
There’s just so many things we can do these days to improve our teeth and our health and in the near future there will be even more options like regrowing our teeth.
I’ve had problems with my teeth all my life but I’ve learned to do my own research and experiment a little and not just allowing the dentist to rule my mouth. We need to take the care and time to look at the options and change of practice which is not always the quickest route to fixing it because it demands something of us.
A week ago, my dental hygienist informed me that I need root planing. I did some research on the process and periodontal disease and - indirectly - discovered Periogen. I received my order yesterday. I followed up with a call to my dentist to postpone my root planing for two weeks while I use Periogen. The hygienist got defensive, called Periogen an antibiotic and said that the gums would actually pull away from the teeth if any particles stayed between the gums and teeth. Where does all this defensiveness come from? Based on what I’ve read, Periogen is not an antibiotic and seems to be a viable option to root planing. Do you find many dentists being defensive like mine was?
Your hygienist is mixing Periogen up with some other product. You are correct, though, Periogen is not an antibiotic. Periogen is anti-calculus (anti-tartar) and anti-microbial.
Yes, we find some dentists are skeptical about any home-care dental product, and rightly so. There are plenty of crazy oils and extracts out there claiming to treat periodontal disease. Periogen is often lumped into this group of “potions.” My hope is that a successful independent university study will place Periogen into a brand-new category: anti-calculus agents that interrupt the cycle of periodontal disease. That study is ready to roll pending some administrative activities at Harvard.
It’s your choice, but I would complete a 90 day Periogen regiment and then go back in for another evaluation. I would bet that “root planing” would be off the table at that time.
I would also like to try your product. It has always seemed strange to me that in this day and age the only way to remove tartar is by the barbaric act of scraping. Really dentistry has not improved all that much since the middle ages. It is just more expensive. I asked my hygenist once if moving her scraper from pocket to pocket could spread infection around my mouth. She said no one had ever asked her that and that bacteria was all over the mouth anyway and no it wouldn’t hurt it. I reasoned that if I had a staff infection on my hand , I would not probe it and then poke myself some other place even though staff runs around our hands all the time.. Thats a good way to spread an infection.
I do everything right, irrigate , floss, own a zillion dollar toothbrush, eat healthy, and have very little tartar build up on my teeth above the gum but I still have loose teeth. One thing I have found dissolves tartar, is a mild rinse of apple cider vinegar. It softens tartar and you can brush it away little by little. I always rinse with baking soda , so my enamel doesn’t soften but I haven’t been to sure about using it under the gums. It also works slowly. Chemistry is odd, that acid will put tartar into solution and now I learn so will salts. I will definately try your product, the thought of losing teeth is extremely depressing.
Update from Dave with an advanced periodontal condition, which I have been maintaining for 23 years.
I have been using Periogen now for about three months and I have all of the pockets completely clean. I was taking about five hours a day to clean my teeth before, but now it only takes fifteen to thirty minutes after each meal and my teeth are completely tarter free. All bleeding stopped after about the third day of using Periogen. Now, there is no more redness, no more soreness, no more swelling, the gums are nice and tight and a nice healthy pink color.
I want to respond to a comment by a certain very learned doctor, on the periotherapist web group, for who’s opinions I have a lot of respect. You can’t get tarter off of your teeth with a placebo effect and you can’t get tarter off of your teeth with the power of suggestion.
I have a comment to make about the amount of mix needed. When I first started this treatment I needed about ten cups of mix to throughly clean all the pockets and even now, I am going on maintenance, I still need about four cups. Of course I have a larger number of deep pockets than most people.
We do ship internationally, the USPS charges $12 per pound. A three bottle Periogen shipment weighs 2 pounds. If you follow the check out procedures, this charge is automatically calculated for you with the “best available” international shipping selection.
A three bottle Periogen set is good for 135 one gram doses, once a day, or 67 days, twice a day doses.
There have been no adverse side effects reported from daily Periogen use in short or long term use (two years). All ingredients have an FDA rating of “generally considered safe.”
No, you will have to sit, but it will not be another “cleaning.”
Let me summarize the feedback we have received with regard to Periogen use and visits to the Hygienist. These are not just claims made by Global Tonic; they are actual customer reports to us. A few are in this Blog, the rest are from unsolicited e-mails – and they are all the same.
If you have periodontitis with painful symptoms, getting your teeth cleaned is a nightmare. Periodontal probing for pocket depth is painful – the probe hits the bottom of one infected pocket after another, often releasing pus and blood along with the endless spikes of pain.
The “cleaning” portion is often worse. Your hygienist will try to scrape off as much tartar under your gums as they can, most commonly using “blind scraping” or ultrasonics. Deep cleanings can be so painful as to require Novocaine and sedation just to keep you from leaping out of the chair and running for the door.
Many endure these procedures every three months
Periogen use will turn that around by your next visit. Periogen dissolves the upper disease layer of tartar in the first weeks of use. This completely reverses Periodontitis and eliminates infection. With infections gone, your gums heal to the best of their ability. After 90 days of daily use, you will not mind getting probed, because it will not hurt. It is also a rewarding experience when they tell you that your pockets are closing!
As for scraping tartar under the gum line, there may be none to remove. So your very next visit may go so quickly and painlessly that you actually enjoy it!
In the longer term, it has also been universally reported that cleaning frequencies will be moved out from 3 months to 6 months and even to 12 months.
Give Periogen a try. As advertised, if you are not completely satisfied, we will refund your money.
I have this great little squeeze bottle applicator for deep pockets. How long does the periogen stay in solution once you’ve mixed it in water? Can it keep for a day or 2 in my sqeeze bottle as i use the bottle up? How many times a day do I use it? Normally I irrigate twice daily and apply stuff to deep pockets twice. Do you want to flush deeppockets or will just a squirt do?
Periogen will not fall out of solution, so you are free to pre-mix in another container. Yes, always flush the deep pockets, otherwise they might go back into infection mode. Sounds like you have a good system, tell us more…
Have you heard of periowave? Some holistic dentists are using it - it’s a antimicrobial laser treatment. My partner had this procedure and is now on the periogen and she’s loving how it’s feeling so far. BTW I had a huge pocket close up quite quickly, couple of months, to half it’s size or more but I also use some natural remedies in conjunction with the periogen.
Just a word of warning for anybody considering buying from outside of the U.S - namely Customs Charges on orders
I’ve been hit with a charge by UK customs of £12.50 which is roughly $25. This additional charge is actually 50% of what the goods were worth, which is ludicrous.
I’m not blaming Globaltonic, however i’m posting this as I feel that people should have the right to be informed, especially those in the UK who may be considering placing an order - and it may also apply to other international customers too, depending on their countries own customs policies.
Wow, 50%! I thought UK VAT was only an outrageous 18%! Your order was only $50! I am open to suggestions to get that number down. We list the item as a dental product; does that make Periogen a luxury item?
We sent some free samples to Kings College in London, and they complained of a VAT charge similar to yours. Don’t know what happened with that situation, it should have been zero. If I could skew Periogen as a food supplement, VAT may be waived; however, breaking import rules could be problematic, obviously.
On the shipping end, we used to use UPS for international, which is quite expensive for our customers and a lot of paperwork for us. As it is now, we literally have a staff member (usually me) wait in line at the local post office to ship USPS Priority Mail, just to get shipping down to under $15.
We are talking with a possible partner in Ireland which may mitigate some of these problems. In the mean time, sorry for the government tax and I hope you find the relief from Periogen well worth it.
One other problem with UK (my favorite country after the US) is that bathroom outlets lack the power necessary to run a decent Waterpik. How are you getting around that? Do you use the kitchen sink?
Best things about the UK – S&K Pie, Fish & Chips in a Newspaper, Incredible Lamb, Old Pubs.
Worst thing about the UK – having to shout at your American brother to “KEEP LEFT!” after every roundabout.
Actually the customs charge was only about £4 ($8) the rest was kindly added by the UK post office as a customs handling fee!
Everything you hear about Rip Off Britain is true!, from our $10 a gallon gas prices to buying goods from the U.S, we get taxed on everything!.
I think the main problem is the fact that the goods are sent US Postal Service to UK Postal Service, because goods which are handled and delivered by the UK Postal Service are more likely to draw interest from customs. Goods sent by carrier, are usually more likely to get through, although of course it is a 50/50 gamble either way. Obviously the charges for shipping via UPS or DHL are likely to be far higher as you have already said.
You could also try labeling the goods as “Health Supplements” - after all your product is aimed at oral health is it not?, so I don’t see how you would be doing anything wrong by stating that. Again this isn’t a magic solution but it might be worth trying.
The UK doesn’t apply duty on goods imported which have a commercial value of below £18 (roughly $36), so the only real way around the customs charge would be to buy the single Periogen at $29.95 ‘as required’ although this is likey to work out more expensive in the long run with seperate shipping charges and missing the multiple buy discounts, and more trips to the post office for you!
We can also buy from the EU ‘duty free’ without any import charges or duty, so hopefully if your Ireland distribution chain works out, there will be a lot of people in the UK anxious to use your product.
Sadly, our electrical regulations forbid the use of sockets in bathrooms, probably because our higher mains voltage of 230V brings an increased risk of electrical shock around water. There are however many wall light fitments for use over mirrors which are fitted with sockets (similar to your 2 pin variety) for use with shavers, and the Waterpik works fine when run from those!.
I look forward to using your product, and wish you every success with your business.
I’ve been importing supplements from the US for years and the best service is provided by FedEx. With USPS you may not get your delivery for ages and when they hand it over to Canada Post they’ll tax you and charge you for taxing you. Double whammy! It’s better to get charged more and taxed less, while having your package tracked. With something as important as Periogen you don’t want to wait literally weeks and weeks for your delivery. Once the volume to a country is large enough then you can make deals with these services and bring the cost down. After your initial trial it’s best to put in a large order and pay the price and have peace of mind. I’d also suggest the cost can be deducted as medical on your income tax.
Periogen is a dental rinse, so only minute quantities are actually consumed. Also, all Periogen ingredients are common in dentifrices, most notably tartar-control toothpastes. Ask your doctor if he or she has a concern over the use of tartar-control products.
I just received your Perio Sarter Kit and Pocketflush Deep Pocket Applicator. I also got your mouth mirror. I spent a half hour trying to get under the gum with the plastic tip of the syringe. All it did was bend. I know I have some deep pockets (8s)in the back and some in the front top teeth where i have crowns. This is why I bought the syringe. Can anyone tell me how you get under the gums with this Pocketflush? Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.
Set the Pocketflush down for a few weeks. Instead, use the Waterpik with the Pik Pocket tip, on a low setting, perhaps 1/3 to start, and slowly draw the tip around your gum/tooth margin with the Pik Pocket actually touching the margins. If you know exactly where the pockets are (like from your dental chart), great, otherwise you will learn where they are as they probably will ache a little with the introduction of Periogen and water. When you locate a pocket, loiter the tip over it for a few extra moments and let Waterpik “pump” the Periogen solution into the pocket. As your comfort level increases over time as infection is eliminated, you may increase the pressure setting accordingly.
Do this once or twice a day for a few weeks. You should then know the trouble spots that remain (if any).
Get the Pocketflush out and practice first on pockets you can see and easily get to. There is a learning curve, but that is why we sent you spare tips in case you break a couple. It is best to slowly slide the tip down the tooth and into the margin and pocket, rather than poking at it. If you try some pockets in the back, but are fighting your cheeks, order a Cheek Retractor to eliminate the interference. The goal of using the Pockflush is to get troublesome pockets to reduce in depth so you don’t have to use the Pocketflush anymore and just use the Waterpik.
Please give this procedure a try and report your progress!
Thank you for the ideas on how to use the Pocketflush. I had deep pocket cleaning done on the right side of my mouth a few weeks ago. I am scheduled for the left side the first week of april. How long should i wait before using the periogen in the the Waterpik after this procedure?
The basic premise of Periogen is to avoid deep cleaning as much as possible - as Periogen dissolves the calculus they would otherwise try to scrape off. Having said that, only specialty periodontists have the equipment to verify what is being cleaned (they use a microscopic Perioscope to video calculus formations; very smart stuff). Otherwise, you are getting a “blind cleaning” that removes some of, but not all, calculus formations. It is our stated position that ALL calculus must be removed or periodontitis will still thrive in your pockets.
So what to do if you are already in the “deep cleaning” cycle? We would always advise you to do what your dental professional tells you to do. However, there is no risk in delaying these procedures if you are in a Periogen regiment, in our humble opinion. Eliminating infection and busting up calculus with Periogen can only simplify deep cleaning and scaling procedures.
We never consider Periogen as a post-operative treatment in the short-term. Your dental professional knows best. If you desire long-term relief from the discomfort of the accumulative nature of tartar and calculus, we are your best bet.
Remember, our product has a no-questions-asked money-back guarantee.
Fluoride toothpastes have a fluoride content of about .15%. Their goal is recalcification (anti-cavity.)
Periogen uses fluoride in a concentration of .04% as an ion source in a concentration of a sequestrate solution for the purpose of dissolving tartar (calculus). One gram of Periogen is dissolved in one cup of water, so the quantity of fluoride is very small per “dose.”
We prefer the Waterpik Ultra with the pik pocket tip because it is really kind to the gums while drawing the tip along the gum-tooth margin. I am looking at a Hydrofloss above me on a shelf and recall that their tip is a sort of insert-in-the-pocket type. We wanted to love it, but we don’t believe it is the easiest to use.
Periogen does not need Therasol to be more effective. Periogen is a strong anti-microbial on its own. If you wanted to “supercharge” Periogen, add 2% or 3% Hydrogen Peroxide to your solution.
Here’s how – fill your irrigator with ½ cup HOT water, and add a spoonful of Periogen. It will dissolve in seconds. Next, add ½ cup of Hydrogen Peroxide. The resultant temperature should be pleasant to apply. Irrigate along the gum/tooth margin as indicated.
Hydrogen Peroxide helps because it is the best debridement chemical available to consumers. This allows the anti-tartar ingredients in Periogen to work their best. Our debridement additive, TKPP, is a fine chemical and one indicated for indefinite use, while Hydrogen Peroxide is often recommended for no more than 90 days of daily use.
Check with your dental professional with these issues before striking out on your own.
Update from Dave with an advanced periodontal condition, which I have been maintaining for 23 years.
I have been using Periogen now for close to six months and the pockets are completely clean. Once there is no more tarter in the pockets, the gums re-attach to the teeth, the pockets are still there, but they are healed over and closed. It is not necessary to irrigate the depths of the pockets anymore, but rather I am just irrigating along the gum-line as a preventative maintenance. Now, I only need about three cups of the Periogen mixture. It might be possible for me to do the job with as little as two cups, but I like to be thorough. My gums are very sensitive to even the smallest amount of tarter.
I don’t have certain information about pocket reduction because I did not have the pockets mapped for about five years before I started the Periogen. Bone regeneration is unlikely in patients with large a amount of horizontal bone loss, such as I have.
If you are just swishing ACT around in your mouth, it will probably not reduce Periogen effectiveness in periodontal pockets. Definitely do not waterpik with anything after Periogen, as it is key that Periogen remain undisturbed for as long as possible.
It’s been about two weeks since I started using Periogen. It’s also the first time that I have used an oral irrigator.
On the first use I bled in two areas, but since using the irrigator with periogen I have not bled at all, including when I floss. Before, I would always bleed when I flossed (you can imagine why it was not my favorite activity).
In the first week, I filled the irrigator with half water w/ periogen and half hydrogen peroxide. I used the irrigator twice a day, 3 cups each time. After the first week, I have found that I only need to use 1.5 cups (still using the half-and-half mixture).
I can feel a difference. Besides the areas in my molars where I was bleeding, I had bad calculus buildup on my lower inner incisors that prevented me from really feeling a distinction with my tongue from tooth to tooth. Now, I can feel the teeth.
I am anxious to completely get all of the calculus off of my lower incisors because I cannot stop probing them trying to get the teeth clean of any material that is stuck to them. Subsequently, my tongue is sore from rubbing on the edges of the calculus that is still there.
I am interested in speeding the process and have begun brushing once a day with salt/baking soda/hydrogen peroxide mixture, in addition to brushing with Crest pro health toothpaste.
I am also considering incorporating a vinegar rinse before I use the baking soda mixture… but am not sure yet as to benefits.
You are right on track. We have ample reports that using Periogen daily in combination with regular dental cleanings will remove and keep tartar away both above and below the gum line.
We have no study to support that. We will conduct such studies in time.
If you want an opinion, we have ample reports to assert that if you are on a three or six month cleaning schedule, and you use Periogen once a day, supragingival tartar deposits will be less than with no Periogen use.
My husband has bad periodontist disease and I am looking to get your product for him. I have a question though…Does Periogen kill the “good” bacteria in your mouth along with the bad?
He used an oil product in the past that really helped with the pain and the bleeding stopped completely. It also helped with the odor. It claimed to kill the bad bacteria in his mouth but not the good bacteria. Can you speak to this? Thanks!
The “good bacteria” vs. “bad bacteria” is a marketing gimmick. All bacteria replenish themselves in a matter of minutes. The only thing that matters long term is eliminating tartar under the gums. With tartar dissolved, there will be no more established microbial colonies, and gum disease will halt completely. This is what root planing and scaling procedures try to accomplish via scraping.
Periogen is the only product which actually dissolves tartar under the gum line.
I am very interested in your products. They would save me so much money and time that I would normally have to go to the dentist. My only concern is that I use the products correctly. Is there a in depth instruction manual or video that will show me exactly how to get to the deep pockets? Even a web site of a dentist doing a rooting and scaling would be helpful. i hope to purchase your products for me and other family members by the middle of July. My pockets are in the 3-4 range, so how will I know how deep to go. My last question is does it hurt to insert the chemical in the pockets?
Periogen, or any other home-care dental treatment, is no substitute for going to the dentist. You simply can’t diagnose and treat every dental problem at home.
Having said that, if your dentist has diagnosed you with periodontal disease - caused by the build-up of tartar, then Periogen is the answer to your problem. Periogen, when used regularly with an oral irrigator, (preferably a Waterpik Ultra with a PikPocket tip) will dissolve the offending tartar and thus eliminate your negative periodontal conditions.
We have a video from Waterpik available on our home page. Made primarily for dentists, it clearly shows how the PikPocket tip flushes deep into pockets when drawn along the gum-tooth margin. The Waterpik/PikPocket combination can easily reach the bottom of 6mm pockets and beyond, so your 4mm pockets are of little concern as far as Periogen application.
Irrigating with a Waterpik can cause a little discomfort when first applied to diseased pockets, but with Periogen in the reservoir, this discomfort will subside after a few applications. This occurs because Periogen dissolves the disease layers of tartar almost immediately. Tartar is the undisputed home to periodontitis-based bacteria; and with tartar eliminated, those bacteria simply have no place to live. (This fact is why simple hygienist cleanings to expensive periodontist root planing and scaling all focus on tartar elimination.) With infection gone, Periogen use is not only painless; it is universally reported to be pleasurable. This provides for routine Periogen use that keeps tartar and infection away for good.
A concise instruction sheet is included with your Periogen purchase.
Make sure and order a PikPocket tip for each of your family members, just as you would a tooth brush.
I have been using the periogen with the hydrogen peroxide for the past 10 days and cannot say enough about your prodcut. I distinctly see a difference in the tarter that has already dissolved.
I found your blog by accident about 2 weeks ago and feel that I have found a gem! Bravo for such an incredible product.
Dentists routinely recommend hydrogen peroxide to their patients, but we don’t like people to use it more than thirty days or so – just a jump start to your Periogen routine. Use Periogen with just warm water after that.
Since your product dissolves tartar, how can I be sure that it will not dissolve my tooth enamel over time with repeated use? For the past year I have receive “debridement” treatments every three months and I understand that the sonic nature of this treatment erodes or removes enamel as well.
I just read about your product…the whole blog. i was so interested that i purchased three bottles. My periodontist said that i might need surgery and i squirmed at the fact. He said that my gums needed to be healthy prior to a pregnancy so i will prove him wrong. i feel that this product will help me…my intuition is very strong. Thank you and i will blog you with my progress.
Your periodontist is right in that you must eliminate gum infection prior to pregnancy to avoid infection being introduced into your bloodstream, or so I have read.
You will see results almost immediately, so please report back to us soon!
Periogen gently removes tartar due to its irregular composition. I will attempt to display the microscopic nature of tartar soon - and it will be obvious that tartar is simply a loose accumulation of calcified bacilli completely unlike enamel.
I am very interested in your products, and I’d love to try them. However, for the folowing things, it is still unclear for me.
Although you claimed that Periogen helps periodontal disease, there is no professional literature substantiating this claim and I also can’t find any legitimate recognized literature backing your claims. In addition, for the Periogen, is there approval from FDA?
On August 9th, 2007, you mentioned that a clinical study of Periogen is underway at a major US university. What is it going now? I am curious about this clinical trial.
Sorry for the question, but looking for any answers. Thanks a lot.
The “good bacteria” vs. “bad bacteria” is a marketing gimmick. All bacteria replenish themselves in a matter of minutes. The only thing that matters long term is eliminating tartar under the gums. With tartar dissolved, there will be no more established microbial colonies, and gum disease will halt completely. This is what root planing and scaling procedures try to accomplish via scraping.
Periogen is the only product which actually dissolves tartar under the gum line.
Since I promote probiotics I’d argue that when you remove the tartar you are changing the bacterial population of your mouth to a better balance. Some “good or friendly bacteria” are known to reduce plaque and therefore tartar. Probiotics are specially selected bacteria that are known for cleaning the digestive tract.
BTW, I’ve been using Periogen for about 9 months and having trouble finding any pockets at all. What a problem!
All true. I just don’t want anybody to be squeamish about temporarily disrupting some beneficial bacteria while improving their gum health. Thanks for the blog.
We are as anxious for clinical study results as you. Harvard has the fully- vetted study protocol in hand, but the start of the study is stalled on a technicality beyond our control. Another university is taking a look at a study, but we cannot force them to hurry it up. We are considering financing an independent private study, but probably not until 2009.
In the mean time, one prominent periodontist conducted the same study on one of his chronic periodontal patients. The results were successful and the video is available on our home page.
As far as the FDA, I don’t expect anything for a few years.
Periogen disrupts and dissolves calculus (tartar) accumulations below the gum line. That fact is not disputed. The periodontal improvement that would result from this would be obvious to any dental professional. As it is, patients have universally reported dramatic improvement in their periodontal condition from Periogen use (per our Blog and hundreds of e-mails).
At this point, all we can offer is the video periodontal documentation, overwhelming positive anecdotal evidence, and a no-questions-asked money back guarantee.
Periodontal /gum disease affect almost 90% of population by the age 35. So sharing some knowledge in this field is necessary. I would like to hear some opinions on natural/herbal treatments comparing to usual methods.
I am not aware of the 90% statistic; I have read the number is about 50%. One thing is for certain though, unless you are a boxer, periodontal disease is the sole reason you lose your teeth.
Calculus (tartar) accumulations are the vehicle by which periodontal disease progresses. These accumulations house the bacterium that kills your gums and vital attachment mechanisms, namely cementum. Killing the bacteria is great at suspending the progression of periodontal disease, except for the fact that they return within minutes of anti-microbial treatment. Natural and herbal treatments may kill bacteria, but do not help in even the short-run.
This is why the dental industry is focused on tartar removal. Old-school periodontists still focus on flap surgery. For those of you not yet acquainted with this procedure, gums are splayed back via a scalpel to gain access to tartar under the gums, where it is scraped off; and then gums are sutured back together. The unbelievable post-surgical trauma and long-term discomfort from this common procedure is dwarfed by the realization that this is just a temporary fix – and needs to be repeated every few years. The cost of flap surgery is no joke either, $5,000 to $10,000 for a typical 4 quadrant procedure.
The industry is changing for some. With the advent of the Perioscope (a microscopic endoscope) which allows dental professionals to see and remove tartar accumulations without flap surgery, even dental hygienists (in some states) can remove the offending tartar under the gums.
Periogen is a new way of looking at the problem. Periogen, when applied with a Waterpik and/or a periodontal applicator, dissolves subgingival tartar with a simple in-home procedure.
Don’t think of Periogen as a substitute for professional dental care. We all know we have to go to the dentist. Periogen use is most effective in conjunction with regular dental visits.
I was also told I have periodontal disease. I used to have my teeth cleaned every six months. My new hygienist will not clean my teeth because she said there is no sense in doing that until I have the root/scaling planing done. Will Periogen help with the tartar and calculus already on my teeth? I have a huge build up behind my lower front teeth. Thank you for any information you can give me.
Periogen will completely dissolve the calculus that would be the target of the root planing/scaling procedures, namely under the gums. In the end, you will still probably need hygienists to keep “the easy stuff” off - the calculus above the gum line.
I was hoping if you could tell me if this product can be used with the waterpik I already have that I bought at Walmart. I was told I have about 5 teeth(all in the back) that are 4-5 mm deep. I was told the hygienist can do the deep scaling/root planing. Is it possible to completely reverse these pockets SAFELY with your product? I don’t want to damage my teeth further. What can be done?? I am only 30 and believe this occured during my pregnancy. HELP ME!!! I am very interested.
Yes, Periogen dissolves sub-gingival tartar and will most assuredly reduce those pockets. We prefer the Waterpik Ultra because it has a periodontal tip included. In any case, you may want to supplement the Waterpik with our periodontal applicator which gets to the bottom of the deepest pockets.
Periogen is comprised of polyphosphates and other ingredients commonly found in toothpastes, so it is completely safe. Our special formulation for delivery via an irrigator or applicator is the key.
With sub-g tartar dissolved, periodontal disease will be eliminated, and no scaling or planing will be needed. Cool stuff, huh?!
If you chose the Periogen route, please Blog your results here!
I did choose periogen!! However, to be on the safe side, as I work in a medical establishment…I do believe that applied medical science and naturopathy most often work in synergy…for the best results. I am hoping that the scaling/planing will be a one time thing…and hopefully can maintain those results with the periogen! I am very hopeful. It is great that products like these exist!! I can’t wait for you to become ADA (fda) approved!!
Best of luck to you…and hopefully will see you on sale at CVS sometime in the near future!! You need to make this stuff known!! I will definitely blog when I get my results.
Thanks
HI i work for a dentist and recently had my boyfriend checked out and it turns out he has major gum pockets… he said that most likely he will need surgery to take all the plaque from under the gum line. appereantly the x rays show he has major jaw bone loss at the age of 25 i want to know would this product help him remove that plaque??
Thank you
It is up to your boyfriend, but I would submit to examinations, and then set an appointment for three months out for re-examination. In the mean time, he should irrigate with Periogen in a Waterpik daily, and supplement the irrigation with our 12mm applicator for any pockets exceeding 6mm in depth. His dentist can provide him with his periodontal charts to help locate these deep pockets, if any.
If he is diligent with Periogen, all subgingival tartar will have dissolved in the 90 days, and his pockets should close to nearly their best possible level, depending on cementum damage.
A re-examination will reveal the true state of his dental health, and he will most likely be in for a far more pleasant dental journey than what is currently in store for him.
Bone loss is the result of anaerobic bacteria living in tartar under your gums. This is also the cause of the redness and soreness. To stop this process, you need to not only kill the destructive bacteria, but you must destroy the tartar that they live within. That’s why dentists and hygienists are always scraping at our teeth.
Periogen use kills anaerobic bacteria on contact and completely dissolves the tartar under your gums. If you use Periogen daily, the redness and soreness with diminish immediately and be gone in a few weeks. The tartar under your gums will be gone in 60 – 90 days.
Following that, occasional use of Periogen will keep the offending tartar from returning.
Don’t worry too much about your existing bone loss. If, after 90 days, you don’t have any loose teeth, then you are good to go.
I am a bad, bad person (at least as far as my teeth are concerned). After the incredible trauma of having my wisdom teeth removed in my mid-20’s (Complications etc. rendered me out of action for 3 months), I resolved that I would brush, floss and rinse with Listerine 3 times daily and forget about the dentist. Bad idea.
I have periodontal disease (I’m now in my late 30’s) and a couple of regions where my gums are very painful and swollen (I brush, floss and rinse them and they bleed like mad). After a visit to a dentist, I was informed I would need tartar removal (no kidding, after a decade or more) and some root canals where enamel had been compromised and bacteria had dug through to the root (cold test gave no results at all).
I’d like to try periogen to reduce the tartar (or hopefully even remove most of it, that would be nice), but I’m wondering if the other conditions present (namely big gaping caries and the beginnings of root rot in a couple of teeth) are going to cause any complications with its use. A pocket probe by the dentist revealed my pockets are pretty solidly in the 4-8mm range, even near the affected teeth, except for one which is 11mm.
Also, will there be any complications from using the product before or after a root canal?
I’ve been using periogen for 1 month. I started it three weeks before my scheduled cleaning. I’ve been battling some inflammation and some 5 and 6 pockets for a few years. My gums had become the most inflammed I’ve ever experienced over the last 5 months. I had one tooth that would move slightly if I pushed against it with my tongue.
I noticed some pain improvement within 2 weeks of using it twice daily. The third week (I wanted to kick into gear before my cleaning visit), I added perioxide once daily. My cleaning was the best I’ve had in years. She hardly had to scrape any. There was no inflammation on the top gums. The bottom (2 worse spots) slightly bled. She told me to stop wasting my money on periogen (I showed her the product) that it was just the water stimulating my gums (I’ve used plain water for quite a long time with NO results). She also told me that some people have horrible mouth reactions to a similiar ingredients in tarter control toothpastes. I am very sensitive to chemicals and I’ve had no reactions whatsoever.
One week after my cleaning, my gums feel great. The loose molar has now settled into place. My gums feel tighter. There is no soreness except on the 6 pocket tooth and it is so slight I have to push it quite firmly to feel anything.
I have no doubt that your product helped me. I plan to continue (doing once a day without the perioxide) and maybe ordering the pocket flush applicator to help the last pocket to heal up.
I waited until I absolutely felt significant improvement to write. I am really suprised at how quickly I responded. The initial first two weeks I thought I felt some improvement but I didn’t want to jump to conclusions hastily. The third week really kicked in. I stopped using the perioxide after the visit a week ago. My gums feel great. Thank you.
P.S. I will measure the pockets and report back in a few months.
Periogen is a little salt-like, so you may feel some discomfort. You’ll need a Waterpik for general application and a 12mm applicator for any pockets 6mm or deeper.
Your response to Periogen is fairly typical. Usually two weeks of use to turn the corner on perio disease, then about two months of use to see a change like night and day.
Your hygienists’ response was fairly typical too. She it confusing Periogen with any one of many anti-microbial potions marketed on the Internet that make bold claims with regard to periodontal disease. Those elixirs are a waste of money. Periogen accomplishes exactly what your hygienist attempts to do – remove sub-gingival tartar. She knows very well that “no tartar = no periodontal disease”. Your next visit should be a memorable one!
I’ve been using Periogen for about 2 months, have used up my starter kit and am about to order more. It definitely works - I’ve had much scaling and scraping over the years, gum surgery on one side (couldn’t face having it on the other side although it was recommended) and still deep pockets. My loose molar is better, bleeding has definitely lessened and I’ll know the real results after my next visit.
My only complaint (and it’s not stopping me from re-ordering) is that shipping to Canada is really expensive. I was charged a little less than $50 for a $100 order. It would be great if I could buy the product directly in Canada.
Thanks for using Periogen and glad it is working for you.
Yes, UPS charges a rate of $15 to $18 which we collect for them; then they collect additional fees for Canadian Customs at your end! I’ve gone ’round and ’round with UPS and they claim that there is no other way and that their fast service is well worth it anyway…you Canadians will have to be the judge of that! I know the post office, which we have tried, takes over a month to get to a Canadian address, and there is no tracking.
I think on your last order you were hit extra hard because the Starter Kit included a known commodity, the Waterpik WP100, which customs has caught onto. Your order for Periogen alone will ship tomorrow, so please keep us advised of how long it takes and what they hit you up for!
Until we figure something else out, I have been advising new Canadian “Starter Kit” customers to try to find the Waterpik Ultra WP100 part of the kit locally.
Can you use this twice a day or do we use it only once a day before bed? Also when we go over our teeth should we take our time is there a recommended amount of fluid oz we should try to cover our teeth with? When we our finished should we rinse our mouth with plain water or allow left over product to sit in mouth?
Less is more. Use just one spoonful of Periogen in just one cup of warm tap water and irrigate just your gum-tooth margin quickly for about one to two minutes (about the time the irrigator runs out). If you have deep pockets mapped out, loiter the Waterpik tip in those areas for a few moments each, or follow-up after with a deep pocket applicator. Don’t rinse if you don’t have too. You may do this once or twice a day; your choice. After recovery, say following two months of use, you may back off to a couple of applications a week to keep sub-g tartar away; however, there is no harm in continued daily usage if the routine suits you.
Hi,
NEED HELP SOON!! I just ran across your blog here after doing endless searches on Google to try to find some help for my dental problems.
My teeth on the bottom are really loose, I feel like they are about ready to fall out if I can’t do something really soon! I am 47, and a year ago, finally went to a dentist who said I had severe bone loss, and needed to have the tartar removed from under my gum lines. I think they called them ‘pockets'’. I didn’t have this done, couldn’t afford it at the time. I am really encouraged by the stories I have just read on your blog, but I don’t know if they apply to me because of the severe bone loss? My gums have really receded, and my teeth are also really sensititve to cold. Do you think your product will work for my situation? This is the first time I have optimistic at all. I have not been to your website-I’m guessing the address is: global tonic. com? I am going to check out your product on the website.
Wow, I’m actually feeling hopeful for the first time.
Looking forward to hearing your reply,
Sincerely,
Heidi
You came to the right place. Yes, Periogen can help. Get the Starter Kit to start you off, with perhaps our “deep pocket applicator” as an addition. Once you use Periogen for a few weeks, your periodontitis should be at bay and you’ll have some time to think.
“Bone loss” is a big scare word used by dentists to get you to have extractions and buy implants. Follow the money – thousands of dollars they will make. Use Periogen instead to dissolve tartar under your gums and watch your loose teeth set back in. If you need further improvement after a few months, find a professional in your area who uses Emdogain; a simple non-surgical treatment that closes pockets up even further.
Just found your product.
I have had this problem since at least 1964.
So you know how many times I’ve been in the chair.
Is the WP-450 any better or worse than the WP-100???
I am seriously considering trying your program, and wondered wether the compact nature of the 450 would be a problem? Maybe not enough capacity.
We wanted to like the WP-450 for delivering Periogen, but found it to be a bit underpowered for this application. We have tested literally every oral irrigator available in North America and have found the Waterpik WP-100 Ultra with a Pik Pocket Tip to be the best for periodontal pockets.
If you can get Periogen to the tartar under your gums, you’ve had your last deep cleaning.
I am having issues with gum problems. My dentist suggested I see a periodontist for a “deep cleaning” and I was also told the same by my orthodontist. I’m 38 and just invested a lot of money in invisilign braces. I had several unrelated setbacks during my invisilign treatment so what was origionally supposed to be 18 months is now going on 3 yrs of wearing invisilign…irrelavant but I feel they contributed to my gum problems..and that is just my personal opinion.
So I was told I need the deep clean and was given a price of roughly $700. I made the appointment and had to cancel because of unexpected expenses that came up in the mean time. I am glad I did, I’m very hopeful about what I am reading and I am really expecting to be impressed with this product. I ordered yesterday and can’t wait to get started. I was told by the dentist and periodontist that I have 4-5mm pockets and that after my cleaning I should be ok for a while with my gum health….so I feel I am a good candidate for this.
I will definately post my progress for others to see as I go along. I really hope this works…thank you so much for the hope (and the potential money savings of the alternative)
Cindy
It’s been 90 days since I started using a water-pic and the
Periogen. Before I started this treatment my last cleaning showed several 6 & 5 level pockets with considerable bleeding in many spots. Reason for concern. I just had to report that yesterday I had my first cleaning since starting the water pic and periogen….nothing short of amazing! NO 6’s or 5’s and only a few 4’s! The hygenist said my mouth was really healthy and was so pleased with my progress! My dentist said whatever I was doing to keep it up, it was working. I showed him one of my Periogen bottles and after looking at the ingredients he told me it was all good stuff in there. I have always hated going to the dentist for teeth cleanings. They just plain hurt. This was the easiest, pain free cleaning I have ever experienced. I’m hooked on your product and would really like to thank you!
You are an excellent candidate for Periogen; with pockets well within easy reach of the Waterpik Ultra with a Pik Pocket tip. Expect pocket closures of 1-2mm on your next visit as well as a dumbfounded look from your hygienist. You’ll love your new tartar-free pockets as probing pain will be eliminated. You are on the easy road to recovery from gum disease!
Periogen does much more than kill germs. Periogen destroys where the germs live and breed. By dissolving tartar, those smelly bacteria have no home, so in addition to killing them outright, their replacements have a tougher time multiplying.
There is no other treatment that dissolves tartar. Periogen is the permanent solution to bad breath.
Isn’t it nice to discover a product that is 100% effective? We here at Global Tonic took on gum disease with a vengeance. It was obvious from the start that dissolving tartar was the key. (That’s what all the scraping is about at the dentist’s office!) You can maintain your much improved dental health with occasional Periogen use – just enough to keep the tartar off, or like some, use it every day to keep your teeth squeaky clean!
Nice post. See how everyone wins? You are healthy and happy, your dentist is pleased, and we here can go to sleep knowing we have helped you.
Hi! I have posted before. My husband had pockets as deep as 14 mm. He used your product and his pockets went down to 6’s and 8’s and a few 10’s! Thank you!
We are faced with another situation. He went to the periodontist yesterday and they told him that he has to have his teeth removed - all of them - immediately. They said that, although his pockets are smaller, the bacterial has receeded his bone so badly that the teeth are only still present because the bacteria is what’s keeping them in. I don’t believe it but I am not a periodontist. Can you verify that this is possible? He has not lost any teeth but they are loose. Due to financial reasons, we could not purchase your product after the first dosage was gone. Now the pain is back, the bad breath is back and then he gets this report from the dentist.
I have a few questions and I ask you because I trust your judgement:
1. Is it possible for the bacteria to be the only reason why his teeth have NOT fallen out?
2.If he does have servere bone loss, can it grow back if we use your product to remove the tbacteria that is there?
3. Is it possible for the pockets to close up and the bacteria to still be under the pocket, keeping the teeth from falling out?
The dentist is charging over $32,000 (yes, 32,000 dollars) to remove all teeth on the bottom, give him implants, remove all but the 4 or 6 teeth in the front on the top, and give him a temporary bridge. We don’t have this $ and we don’t have a house to take out a loan. Can your product help reverse this and help him to keep his teeth with continual use? What is the best regimen for this situation?
My husband is trying not to be depressed over this. PLEASE HELP!
Thank you!
Sounds like a cocky, sarcastic SOB. I wouldn’t believe a word he says. I think you should have your husband send his X-Rays to Judy Carroll at Peak Dental Group. Although Periogen can restore pockets up to the limit of undamaged cementum, Judy’s use of Emdogain in her non-surgical treatment can re-grow bone and gum and close up pockets all the way, in some cases. This will save his teeth. Her one-time treatment is a tiny fraction of the cost of a Periodontist.
Check out www.periopeak.com for some pretty amazing before/after evidence. Periogen use fits in nicely with her treatment because it dissolves the tartar that would be the time-consuming start of Emdogain treatment.
Anyone interested in Emdogain should start with Judy Carroll (vision@periopeak.com). If you can’t make the trip to see her, she may be able to locate a colleague nearer you.
Don’t miss the point that you have to keep the tartar off your teeth below the gum line in order to control anaerobic bacteria colonies. Gum surgery, endoscopics, Periogen, whatever the method, keep your pockets clean! A solid Periogen regimen prior the endoscope use may have you Emdogain-ready at the time of your appointment.
I have been in touch with Judy Carroll. Her procedure is unique only to
the Seattle area. I have advanced periodontal disease with 5-6mm
pockets throughout my mouth. I have significant bone loss and my
4 lower front teeth are mobile. I have seen 2 dentists who have quoted
me costs for everything from scaling and root planing to LANAP with
4 extractions and either a partial denture or permanent bridge - cost
$12,000 - $22,000. I have just started using Periogen and am hoping
for the same results I have been reading about on this blog. I am having
my dental records sent to Judy. I can fly to Seattle, have her procedure
done, and fly back the same day for a FRACTION of what these 2 dentists
have quoted me… AND her procedure results in regeneration of bone.
I am very excited to have found both Periogen and Judy Carroll. Keep your fingers crossed for me.
I just got back from seeing Judy Carroll and getting her RPE Protocol with Emdogain. Yes, the administrator of this Blog has periodontal disease; that is why I have so much empathy!
I have some travel advice that I’ll add later, but I have some great advice first.
When Judy says use the doxy twice a day for two weeks prior to seeing her - do it, as it stops bleeding that may diminish Emdogain effectiveness.
But the #1 piece of advice I have is to USE YOUR PERIOGEN! I am an average Periogen user; I just spray my gum tooth margin once a day for about a minute and apply some directly to a couple of known pockets with a deep pocket applicator. What I neglected to do, however, was pay attention to behind my back molars. So Judy was just going around my mouth, commented how great Periogen worked on me, and how all the tartar below my gums was gone or just fell right off when…Bamb! “I found a spot you didn’t use Periogen!” I don’t numb up well, and I spent the next few minutes wishing I was more thorough with my Waterpik and Periogen. I had “that nasty black tartar” on the back side of a rear molar at 6mm that she had to remove manually.
With that slip-up on my part aside, the experience was terrific and I recommend her procedure to everyone.
When traveling to see her, I recommend staying at the Silverdale Beach Hotel, and to get a third floor room over-looking the water ($79 - well worth the extra $10 to watch all the birds and what-not in the evening and morning). The hotel is very comfortable and also has the only real restaurant in town with a chef - Josef’s (I don’t much care for “The Olive Garden” and fast food when given a choice). I chose to get served in the bar and had the Duck (fabulous) and a small Caesar (which you shouldn’t get because Judy reminded me I had garlic breath the following morning)!
It was great to meet Judy and she is everything I hoped for and more. I plan on returning in June to get some “after” photos and X-Rays, which is not required, but I want to part of the science of RPE.
I have some questions about the RPE procedure. Was there any
degree of discomfort (other than the back molar) during or after?
How long did the procedure take start to finish? What was the
depth of your gum pockets before the procedure and were any of
your teeth mobile? What results do you expect from the procedure?
Cost?
Thanks for the hotel recommendation. Is it close to her office?
Judy’s website advocates the use of Periogen. I’ve only been using
it for a week. I’m doing 2 applications per day, 1 spoonful in 1/2 cup
hot water and 1/2 cup hydrogen peroxide. Have to admit, my gums
feel alot better. I did experience the ache in a few teeth after I started
using it, but that has subsided. Is there anything I need to be doing
differently or better?
sorry to keep bothering u with questions, I just frequent this blog often.
I wanted to know…sometimes after I BRUSH my teeth with periogen (I thought this would be good…) I feel my teeth move slightly. They almost click up and then down. Is this normal? Does that mean my teeth are mobile? I know the periodontist said I had a tooth with 1+ mobility..what does that mean? My pockets were originally only 3-5 mm deep and I had only a little bone loss according to the Panorex x-ray. However, I have some gum recession on the back lower 4 front teeth. Is this common? and they can fix this? When will amdogain be available elsewhere?? and most importantly, how much does her procedure cost???
Your Periogen use sounds perfect for pockets 6mm or less. We have found that adding some Hydrogen Peroxide to the reservoir does speed things along. If you have deeper pockets, use the 12mm deep pocket applicator on those in addition. That little ache at first is normal; the infections don’t like being disturbed.
Understand that I am a bit of a Lab Rat. I purposely only used one cup of water in the Waterpik Ultra with one spoonful (one gram) of Periogen once a day, and then supplemented with the applicator on two of my four known very deep pockets. During Judy’s procedure, one of those pockets was “Emdogain ready” and required no additional cleaning; the other required a little work (she was looking for a tooth fracture that an endodontist had guessed was there. There ended up not being one, which saved me at least $5000 for a scheduled extraction and implant).
I did not have any other discomfort besides behind the rear molar. She did have cleaning to do below 7mm in a few pockets where the Ultra couldn’t reach. If I had used the deep pocket applicator in those pockets, that may have been avoided. She did numb me for those, so I didn’t feel a thing.
I was at her office for 4 hours, but if I were asked under oath how much of that time I thought was actually spent removing tartar, I would say 10 minutes total. It was a very leisurely visit without any stress or pain. I didn’t tell her, but I have ordinarily been adverse to Novocain and needles, but she is an A+ pro and just got it done without me being bothered a bit. I think knowing that this was a one-time procedure combined with a warm trust in her and her abilities made it the best dental visit I can remember.
I had one mobile tooth, which I expect to continue to firm up in the next few weeks. It has only been a couple of days, and it feels great already. My regular dentist said extraction was the only option, but I now realize it was just the only option for him - not me! I had some pretty deep pockets in places (>10mm) and will have them re-measured in three months. Before Periogen use, I also had a mouthful of lessor pockets, but those all closed up on their own some time ago.
The Bremerton office Judy works out of is about 10 minutes from the hotel. When following Map Quest, I thought I was hopelessly lost in the country (there were only three turns) but the office appeared right on schedule.
I paid $2500 for the procedure, $100 for the flight, $50 for the car, $79 for the hotel, and $100 for the duck dinner and a bottle of wine, including a big tip. I wouldn’t change a thing.
This Blog is all about questions, and yours are no bother.
Lots of people brush with Periogen. It really cleans the teeth, doesn’t it? We stick stubbornly to the below-the-gum-line tartar removal aspect, as this is a key to eliminating gum disease, but the public still finds other great uses for Periogen.
Yes, if you feel your teeth move, they are mobile. I am not a dentist, but I suspect your pockets are a bit deeper than 3-5mm.
Many periodontists use Emdogain. Emdogain application closes periodontal pockets by establishing a bio-matrix that welcomes pocket regeneration. The process periodontists use, however, is horrifically surgical including splaying your gums open to gain access to sub-gingival tartar in order to scrape it off prior to Emdogain application.
There is another way. Using an endoscope, a clinician can achieve even better results, without surgery. The periodontal endoscope (nick-named “perioscope”) allows the dental professional to actually “see” tartar below the gum-line without surgery and remove it. With tartar eliminated, Emdogain can work its magic.
The only dental professional in the US that we have found that combines the painless Perioscope procedure and Emdogain is Judy Carroll at www.periopeak.com.
If there is another anyone has heard of, please chime in.
Hi, I will be purchasing your product soon as Judy Carroll did recommend it for maintenance. I just wanted to chime in about Judy Carroll and the RPE procedure. Judy just performed this on me on Friday (3/13) at the Mt. Vernon location. I really liked her and she is very good at putting you at ease. Very-little-to-no discomfort with the procedure. Post procedure there was just mild discomfort and a metallic taste due to the pink-tinged saliva I kept spitting out (very slight residual bleeding). This only lasted about a half a day. The idea of having bone loss and a couple of loose teeth is what sent me searching for solutions as my dentist was ready to start yanking.
Aside from the spic and span cleaning and emdogain you receive, the perioscopy is an awesome diagnostic tool. It will help identify other areas of concern with your dental health. She will be sending a full report.
I am quite dentaphobic, and believe people really need to question the need for ‘quick solutions’ like pulling teeth willy-nilly. In my personal experience, it seems to be a way for the dentist to get it “out of the way” in order to move on to more profitable areas of treatment (like implants, veneers, whitening, etc). I frankly don’t care that my teeth aren’t the whitest around, I am concerned with the overall health of my mouth.
For me the procedure was $2800. Two nights stay at the Cotton Tree Inn which included full breakfast buffet, $168, weekend rate with Dollar car rental was $37, airfare was about $300 from Texas (husband came along, so actual was $600).
I’ll try to report back as to the progress of improvement and bone growth. Judy said I shouldn’t irrigate for a month so the pockets can heal. I am addicted to oral irrigation, so this is going to be the hardest part for me. As soon as I am able to irrigate again, I will be back to purchase your product. Thanks!
Just curious what size your pockets were and how long the procedure took.
Did you have loose teeth and how were they classified? My 4 lower front
teeth are Class III. Of course, my dentist is anxious to extract and put
in a permanent bridge - $10,000.
My dentist emailed my records to Judy yesterday and I am anxious for
her consultation. I too am dentistphobic so I am thrilled to hear that
her procedure is relatively pain free and that she is good at putting
people at ease.
Just wanted to know if after using periogen you need to wait to drink liquids or is it safe to drink soon afterwards. Also curious to know what you think about the perio protect tray system for periodontal treatment and if anyone has experience with the ayurveeda practice of oil pulling.
I ordered Periogen about a month and a half ago and will post changes when I go back to get checked. Also not 100% sure how to aim the tip of the irrigator if it should just be along the border of the gumline with the teeth, or pointing up aiming inside the gums.
Thank you
Hi Kim,
Yes, I have loose teeth, Judy said they are class I… a couple are quite loose, but I think the class system is not necessarily how wiggly they are, rather, how much bone is lost around the roots… some of my tooth aren’t loose at all, yet Judy said all my molars are at class I… kind of surprised me as a couple are quite wiggly, so I thought they might be a class II or more… which is why I believe the class system relates to how much bone has been lost, not necessarily how wiggly they are. The majority of my pockets are 5-8 with one being a 12. The 12 is currently abcessed and I had to stop the low-dose doxy and take amoxicillin. Judy cleaned it out real well and I need to get a root canal asap. I can really tell the difference being off the low-dose doxy… it really tightens your teeth, so, mine are feeling loose again. Procedure took about 4 hours. I wish you much luck however your proceed. Not a fun club to be in is it?… the dues are way too high!
Let me chime in here. If Judy Carroll indicated a root canal was necessary, trust her. If it was someone else, let me tell you my saga.
I had a molar with an adjacent deep pocket blow up on me in December, and I insisted to my dentist that we give amoxicillin a try before any big procedure. Two weeks later the problem was all but gone. When I returned in February, their endodontist told me that he was 99% sure that I had a root fracture, and that a root canal would be ineffective – I needed extraction immediately and to begin the implant process.
I smelled a rat and went to Judy Carroll first. She cleaned the pocket last week and found no root fracture using her endoscope. She applied some Emdogain – and so far so good; the tooth fells great. Time will tell, but I can definitively say that one cannot blindly trust a dental professional when ten thousand dollars is at stake. Thank you Judy.
Sorry, your post slipped by me. If you avoid drinking liquids an eating after applying Periogen for ½ hour, Periogen will have more time to work on the supra-gingival tartar (above the gum line). Eating and drinking right after application will have no negative effect below the gum line.
The Perio Protect system is a great way of applying an anti-microbial solution to the gum/tooth margin, but that is probably about it. The notion that you can put something on your gum line and then have jump to the bottom of a diseased periodontal pocket is a real stretch. When using a periodontal tip with a WaterPik Ultra, Periogen can be delivered down to 6mm and that’s about it - and that is using a pulsing stream of water.
Anti-microbials are just a band-aid, anyway. Periogen goes after tartar, where the harmful bacteria live.
Never heard of oil pulling, but if unrefined oil is good for you, why not make a salad dressing and eat it on some greens?
Point the Pik Pocket Tip so that it shoots strait down under the gum line. We have a WaterPik video on the homepage that shows this in action. The tip should touch the gum/tooth margin to ensure your aim is right.
I did contact Judy and sent my husband’s x-rays to her. She says she can help! We only need to collect the money to get out there (we live in NJ). I am thinking of doing it in early June and make it an anniversary trip. I am excited that there is hope and that Judy can help my husband keep his teeth. He isn’t using Periogen at the moment but we will be getting it again ASAP. Thanks for your comments, administrator, I will keep you posted.
i have been using Periogen for 3 weeks. four my teeths are still wiggling. i dont see any improvement using Periogen. should continue to extract my teeths…more update coming soon…
You shouldn’t be in a hurry to have your teeth pulled. Implants are no panacea.
You just started using Periogen to try and reverse years of tartar build up and pocket development. It may be several weeks more before your teeth will start to settle in.
This is a good time to review how you are using Periogen, however. I reviewed your order and saw that you just ordered Periogen but no application means. How are you getting Periogen to the bottom of your periodontal pockets?
Follow the instructions that are on each bottle.
If your pockets are as deep as 6mm, you must apply Periogen with a Waterpik Ultra using a Pik Pocket tip. If you try using a different tip or different irrigator, chances are the Periogen is not getting past 4mm. Most importantly, the Pik Pocket tip must touch the gum-tooth margin and be pointed strait down for lower teeth, and strait up for upper teeth.
If you have pockets deeper than 6mm, you must apply Periogen with a 12mm Deep Pocket Applicator.
Review you procedures, and continue with your Periogen series. Periogen will restore your periodontal health to the best state your body can achieve on its own. If that state ends up not being good enough for you, contact Judy Carroll at Periopeak.com for a possible one-time Emdogain application.
So, you have a few things to try before letting anyone near you mouth with a pair of pliers.
My periodontist says that I need to have my upper molar #13 and #14 pulled. He also wants to do some grafting as he said I have severe bone loss and he wants to do implants. My endodontist agrees with him. I have had gum surgery before. The 2 teeth he wants to extract have had root canals and he says there is no other alternative. Would this product be beneficial to me? When there is significant bone loss is the only way out surgery? Any advice you could give me I would appreciate.
Periogen dissolves tartar above and most importantly below the gum line. With tartar dissolved, infection will be eliminated, host response will subside, and loose teeth will settle back into what bone and gum are remaining. It may end up that in a few months of Periogen use those two teeth will stop giving you trouble.
Additionally, after a Periogen series, you could have a non-surgical application of Emdogain, which regenerates bone, gum and cementum. We recommend you have this performed by Judy Carroll in Seattle (www.periopeak.com). The periodontist you use currently may have Emdogain available too, but periodontists turn painless Emdogain application into a bloody gum-peeling surgical nightmare.
Send your x-rays to Judy and she can tell you right away if you are a candidate for her innovative procedure named RPE. Her one-time procedure is basically painless and a fraction of the cost of what you are currently in for. You could always go down the implant road later.
I was recently diagnosed with “intermediate” periodontitist by the periodontist that my dentist referred me too. The only solution he offered was 4 quadrants of Osseous surgery, possible bone graft, possible tissue regeneration, yank to old wisdom teeth while they are at it (Ouuuch). The bill came to around $5,900 with out of pocket around $4,700. I do have widespread pockets in the 5-6mm range.
I scoured the WEB for alternatives to the cut and scrape solution and came up with your Oral Tonics site (Periogen) and have ordered it for a try. Look forward to trying it out. As an engineer and scientist, I reasoned that there must be a better way to eliminate plaque and calculus (by dissolving it chemically) than cutting and scraping since it is a foreign substance on the teeth so your approach makes good sense to me.
I read this entire BLOG over the weekend and it has lots of encouraging dialogue which lead me to believe this might work for me.
I plan to avoid going under the knife by a multi pronged attack on the problem which includes increased dossage of CQ10 and VitC along with my trusty Water Pic and H202. I’ll also try a herbal remedy called Oram Plus while I’m at it ( I have faith that some of these natural cyures do work). Do you see any problems/conflicts with this regimen in addition to your Periogen?
In the absence of clinical tests, I’m going with my gut feel in trying your product. From a marketing perspective (as I’ve also done marketing) you might want to consider a few ideas to convince skeptics:
*Dentist Affiliates - I noticed you have a program for this, are many signed up. You might want to advertise that if there are many.
*Money Back Guarantee - Any idea of percentage of customers that have taken you up on that? If it is small you might want to advertise that. Just a thought
Take that as constructive comment and either way I’m set to ty your product in anticipation of good results.
Looking forward to receipt of my order and I’ll stay tuned here for other results. I’m excited by what I’ve read so far.
There is no need to use any of those other anti-microbials while using Periogen. Each application of Periogen kills 100% of the bacteria it comes in contact with along with several layers of tartar. Taking vitamin C is always good for you, they say. If you want to kick up Periogen a notch, add a little Hydrogen Peroxide to the reservoir water.
The only supplementary treatment we have found to be beneficial is a twice daily micro dose of doxycycline (20mg). It is an anti-inflammatory that calms your auto-immune system down a bit. This can be important if periodontal disease has triggered the body into wanting to eject a tooth or two. You need to get a prescription for doxycycline. Check out www.periostat.com for better info.
We have a number of dentists recommending Periogen, just not enough with good websites to link to for a proper “affiliate network.” I guess they are too busy being good dentists to develop good websites.
No customer as of yet has needed the “Money Back Guarantee.” Periogen works 100% of the time. If you can get Periogen to tartar repeatedly, the tartar dissolves. Periogen defeats the electrostatic bonds that hold tartar together, so it’s not like it works on some people and not on others.
We are striving to get Periogen packaged for drug stores so folks can avoid shipping charges. We’ll announce stores that carry Periogen when that time arrives.
Got your earlier response to my question and appreciate your timeliness, shows me there is someone on the other end although I don’t see much activity on the BLOG.
I passed along info about your product ot both the Periodontist and my trusted Dentist. No response from the Perio guy as I expect he’s too busy making big bucks on surgery (perhaps not fair so I’ll give him another day or so). My dentist immediately called with mild skepticism of the product since it isn’t clinically proven (OK a logical response I guess) since they can’t really recommend non-standard treaments.
Your earlier response indicated I need no additional microbial remedies. My denist did prescribe a Colgate product called PerioGard which I expect you are familiar with (since you have retired dentists at your firm). It is a Chlorhexedine Glutonate solution to be used as mouth wash or in my WaterPik. Given that my prescription drug coverage covered most of the expense I figured why not? It is supposed to be an anti-microbial with plaque dissolving properties. Any comments on that?
Additionally, do you see any downside in using this product (PerioGard) in conjunction with your PerioGen? I don’t want to outsmart myself and compound my condition and I hope you may have run across this sort of question before.
Anyway, I’m pleased to report I just got my shipment from you (just ordered it Sunday so that’s pretty quick) and will begin using it immediately with hopes of good results.
I hope that by submitting this to your BLOG, my questions and your answers may help others also.
We get about 100 emails for every post to this Blog. Some are really good questions that get really good answers that I wish were Blog discussions. They will turn into a FAQ page at some point.
Chlorhexedine is a prescription anti-microbial, but we have not tested it alongside Periogen; basically because Periogen is not a drug and therefore needs no prescription.
I know Chlorhexedine stains your teeth something wicked, and I have read that it actually encourages the growth of tartar. Since the entire purpose of Periogen is to dissolve tartar, it doesn’t sound like a very good match.
Anyway, I wouldn’t use it since I know about Periogen. Periogen alone kills 100% of exposed bacteria, so 110% doesn’t mean anything to me.
Your dentist’s skepticism regarding Periogen is well founded as there is no shortage of periodontal snake-oil available on the Internet. Periogen is the real deal that delivers quantifiable results. Since you received your shipment, you could show your dentist the bottle for a review of the ingredients. All should be familiar as dental safe and effective.
Periogen will speak for itself. Use it for a month or two and then return to your dentist for a check-up. Your periodontal condition will have improved with outstanding, measurable results. If you are like the thousands of others that have successfully used Periogen, you’ll then be back safe and sound under the care of your trusted dentist.
Avoiding root planing, scaling and their related surgical procedures is the gift of Periogen.
Thanks for your response to my earlier posts and your confidence in your product is reassuring. I’ve started using the Periogen twice a day in hopes of good results.
Your recommendation on not using the Chlorhexedine with Periogen puts me in a bit of a pickle since that would go directly against what my dentist prescribed. Frankly, my dentist prescribed the Chlorhexedine with a lukewarm recommendation as something to try since it is an “accepted” preventive measure and Periogen isn’t. Hmm which road does one choose? My gut says to go with Periogen for a month or two and look for results so I’m placing my bet on you since your response to the issue at hand showed great confidence.
From an earlier BLOG I recall that the Administrator (you) is a fellow gum disease victim. Since I’m betting on your advice, may I respectfully ask if your confidence is based on personal experience, advice from the retired dentists in the employ of Globaltonics, sales commissions, or whatever? Please take this question in the spirit that it is offered, I’m trying to make a leap of faith here with folks I’ve never met.
Last question pertains to using H2O2. My dentist advised against it although I’ve seen articles in this blog that suggested it for a limited time, 30 days? I’ve also read other accounts of H2O2 as an effective dental hygiene agent. Dentist said something about it doesn’t promote an overall healthy environment in one’s mouth (good vs. bad bacteria thinking?) Any thoughts on that?
As a P.S. to my earlier BLOG I haven’t heard squatt from the periodontist to my questions about your product and alternative treatments (vs. cut and scrape) so I expect he poo-poo’s the whole idea and is happily slicing and dicing gums for big bucks and waiting for me to show up.
Hope I’m not a pest, just trying to work my way through this.
I like the direct approach. My personal recommendation of Periogen for the treatment of particular gingival ailments is based on my own experience, but only put forth after independent verification by dental professionals. Since these aren’t double-blind studies with placebo, I don’t make a big fuss over them. We just know it dissolves tartar and everyone whose uses Periogen has their periodontal condition improve. Sometimes this improvement resembles a cure for gum disease. Such is my case.
The two retired dentists we employed at the start of this project freely acknowledged that Periogen would dissolve tartar under the gum line, would halt and quickly reverse gum diseases, and periodontal pockets would close up (depending on the level of cementum damage). They also both agreed it would never work – because (they claimed) you could not get people to use Periogen regularly with a Waterpik, and no one would be able to use a periodontal applicator at home.
We are pleased to have proved that theory wrong. Every customer of ours has been able to effectively use a Waterpik Ultra. The periodontal applicator is a challenge for some at first, but people get the hang of it, and after a few weeks they don’t need it anymore; as their periodontal pockets close to 6mm – in reach of the Waterpik Ultra with a PikPocket tip. We have no unhappy customers.
Chlorhexedine is extremely effective at killing bacteria, but what then? It can’t be prescribed for more than sixty days. You have to get the tartar out from under your gums to enjoy sustained periodontal health. Periodontists cut your gums open to scrape it out. Periogen dissolves it away painlessly.
Dentists are all over the board about Hydrogen Peroxide. Some recommend it for a limited time, some recommend it for life. We have observed that it enhances Periogen effectiveness in the first few weeks of Periogen use, but it doesn’t make a difference after that.
If, after a two month Periogen series, you are left with some deep periodontal pockets, I strongly recommend a one-time application of Emdogain, which closes pockets further. The only Emdogain specialist we recommend is Judy Carroll in Seattle. She can be contacted at www.periopeak.com. I have done it and she is great.
As far as sales commissions, I am just part of a company based on truth. I receive no commissions of any kind – my job is to Sheppard Periogen through an industry that is unconscious to the basics of periodontal diseases.
Excelletnt response as usual, I’m impessed with you folks and appreciate your honesty which is reassuring. I’ll continue to throw in a little H2O2 with the Periogen for now as I see no harm in that.
I’ll experiment with the pockeflush gizmo I ordered once I get a feel for where my deepest pockets are but I think I only had a few that were as deep as 7mm. An interesting looking device indeed.
Interesting story about the retired dentists concluding that folks wouldn’t religiously use a WaterPik with Periogen? (it’s quite painless and sort of fun to see all the crap it gets out even after flossing). Given the alternative of oral surgery who in their right mind wouldn’t use it (DOOOH)?
I had checked out Judy’s site in Seattle as part of my earlier research for alternatives and, in fact, it may be the link that lead me to Globaltonics. Hope I won’t need the Emdogain if all goes to plan but Seattle is a nice town to visit.
Best of luck with getting your Periogen on the shelves at my local drug store.
Assuming Periogen works as described, you folks will likely be zillionaire’s pretty soon with the added benefit of having helped a lot of people save pain and misery in the process ( a nice plus), and I wish you the best.
Will let you know results in a month or so once I visit my dentist.
Hi!! I just wanted to say that I have been using periogen for a few months now. I don’t use it every day however, I only bought one bottle and I use very little. I originally started off with most pockets of 4 and 5. I did get deep scaling six months ago, and continued to use the periogen. I want to add that I mostly brushed with it. I have not yet invested in a new waterpik. Mine broke. I hear alot of the waterpik ultra, is that different, new updated? what? I might head to walmart tonight.
So, I went back to the periodontist the other day. I have lots of 1,2’s 3’s. Unfortunately, I still have some 4’s and 5’s on all back teeth. My periodontist said it was probably because of the movement from the braces I had taken off six months ago (what do you think of that??)
What can I do to help the 4’s and 5’s??
also, I am a bit obsessive with things, and I have seen a copy of my x-ray, the bone level is definitely not at the tooth margin, I have small black triangular areas throughout…can most of these be restored with emdogain?
I have an appt with Judy Carroll on May 22nd. I don’t really have the money, however I plan on having 2 big yardsales and will be dipping into my son’s bank account (don’t worry, I will pay him back…)
I can’t wait to meet her and get this all behind me. I chose to go to her because my doctor wants me to cut up and “fillet” all of my gums. I can’t bear it. No way. He doesn’t even use emdogain either!! Why bother cutting up all my gums??
I was hoping someone could help me out….in one of the earlier blog posts I read someone went to Judy and paid cheap airfare, a duck dinner and a cheap hotel stay. Does anyone have any ideas how I can keep my cost down during my trip to seattle??
Thanks so much!
TO ALL PERIODONTAL SUFFERERS:: IT IS FRUSTRATING I KNOW, BUT IT IS LIKE ANY OTHER DISEASE…KEEP IT UNDER CONTROL AND LIFE CAN GO ON LIVING…
I will do everything I can to avoid looking like Gumbo at 31.
Does anyone know of any other females facing this situation so young?
It would be nice to know that I am not alone. Yet, my fellow females do not go to the dentist. Some of them never had a single cleaning. I go faithfully, and I am faced with this……???
but also, do you have any ideas as to where to stay in Seattle and any tips for cheaper airfare? Sorry to bother you…I just thought you would know since you already saw Judy Caroll.
By the way, I love the new website look!!
June 30th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
I’d love to try your product. It sounds like the answer to my prayers - since I actually walked out in the middle of a hygenist appointment two weeks ago because of the pain, and the hygenist’s lack of understanding. That scraping just seems so barbaric. Surely, I’ve been saying, something can dissolve the tartar. So I googled, I found you, right in San Diego where I am. Now I’m just looking for more evidence that I should really trust your product not to hurt my teeth more, or cause some new problem. And not to contain any toxic materials - I’ve not found a list of the ingredients on your site. I know you are trying to patent it, so are not so interesting in revealing your secrets. But how can I feel more secureabout you, not really knowing who you are?
July 2nd, 2007 at 7:52 am
Tartar is a poorly structured accumulation of fossilized bacteria and debris. It is glued together by calcium phosphate salts. It can easily be compared to lime deposits on pipes which are comprised of insoluble calcium carbonate.
How do you rid your pipes of deposits? Scrape them with a tiny metal instrument? Of course not. You buy a water softening system which chelates the calcium carbonate away, day after day without damaging the pipes.
OK, what about tartar? Here is where Periogen steps in. Periogen is sold in powder form which quickly dissolves in the reservoir of your oral irrigator for easy application.
Periogen’s first active ingredient is Tetrapotassium Pyrophosphate (TKPP), a safe oral cleanser found in several toothpastes. It is designed to clean as much bio-film as possible from teeth in order to expose raw tartar. The next ingredient is Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STPP) which is combined with a tiny amount of fluoride (as an ion source) which reacts with the Calcium Phosphate particles by exchanging ions - electrically neutralizing them thereby releasing one or more layers of fossilized bacteria which float away. This process is nicknamed “sluffing.”
Each application sluffs more tartar layers away, until all tartar is dissolved. Continued occasional use keeps tartar from coming back. The amount of applications needed to dissolve all tartar varies with the amount of tartar accumulated, but our experience is once a day for 90 days is enough to rid your teeth of all offensive tartar Periogen has come in contact with, both above and below the gum line.
Our other ingredients are sodium bicarbonate and citric acid which are used for pH control and product delivery purposes. Feel free to Google all these ingredients and you will see they come straight out of the dental industry and enjoy a “safe” rating by the FDA.
The only question remaining is “Why wasn’t this invented sooner?”
The development team at Global Tonic, LLC is comprised of engineers, chemists and retired dentists.
We stand by our product Periogen and offer a no-questions-asked money back guarantee.
July 3rd, 2007 at 4:41 pm
Thank you for your thoughtful response. Here I go! I’m going to try it! Because guess what? I WAS flossing diligently every day.
July 8th, 2007 at 5:41 pm
Ok, I was up to day three with the results looking subtly promising, and now my brand new water pick seems to be malfunctioning - it is making a noise like an alarm clock buzzing, with no water coming out. Do you know of a fix for this, am I doing something wrong, or do I have to return it? (I got it from you)
July 9th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
That noise sounds normal- it is trying to prime itself. Make sure the reservoir is solidly down on the base, you have water in it, and the tip is in the sink BELOW the Waterpik, and turn it on. When water starts to flow you can use it like normal.
If you want to never hear that noise again, don’t ever remove reservoir and instead fill it with a separate cup and try not to run it out completely during use. (that’s what I do.)
These are really good machines and I have never heard of one breaking. If it has broke, I’ll send you out another one.
August 9th, 2007 at 7:55 pm
Just wanted to post here about my progress, since I am the lone blogging guinea pig… The Global Tonic people were quick to replace my waterpic when their suggestions didn’t solve the problem. The new one’s been working great. I’ve been fairly dilgently using it with the Periogen for a month now…. making a fool of myself at the sink trying to master the perfect technique - my kids think it is hilarious! My tooth and gum pain is definitely reduced, I would say it is maybe 20% of what it was a month ago. I can still feel rough spots at the gum line but they too are greatly reduced, certainly less than half of what they were. I’m looking forward to seeing the promise come true - 90 days to eliminate any tartar below the gumline. Two months to go…
August 9th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
How can irrigation get far under the gumline? Most of the periodontal litereature shows very poor penetration to the bottom of periodontal pockets, even when a dentist is aiming an irrigating device into the pocket. Are there any actual studies showing the efficacy of your specific product? Please send or post references. Thank you- Kevan Green
August 9th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
The Waterpik Ultra WP100 comes with a periodontal tip they call the PikPocket. Waterpik states 6mm of penetration. See them at www.waterpik.com. If you have pockets much deeper than that, they should get individual attention with our 12mm deep pocket applicator. We carry everything you need.
A clinical study of Periogen is underway at a major US university, the details of which will be announced soon.
September 18th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
I am thinking of buying this for myself. Jo how is it going?
October 8th, 2007 at 2:07 am
I had been living with peridontal desease for a few years. I tried many natural and traditional methods of treatment. I was told that I should have my teeth pulled and wear dentures. The traditional dentist gave me no hope at all. Most of the measurements of my pockets were 6 or 9’s. I was spending a fortune getting my teeth cleaned and scaled every three months. Still I was told I had a tremendous amount of plaque. I flossed and watched what I ate. Still my teeth bled and occasionally had tooth aches. I already loss three molers and now to my horror I developed an abcess in my right I tooth. I was getting depressed and desparate. But I was determined to save the rest of my teeth!! I prayed on it and looked on the internet for solutions. I found Global Tonic. I thought it was a sign because I was born and raise in San Diego and more specifically in the North County where Global Tonic is located. I called and spoke with someone who gave me a lot of hope.
I ordered the starter package and started the first of August 2007. I saw some promising results within one week. The bleeding stopped and the swelling started going done within two weeks. I have been using this miracle product for about 90 days now and the abcess is completely gone, teeth are tightening and gums are feeling and looking great. I do the treatment at night before bedtime and my mouth and breath still feel fresh in the morning. I cancelled my appt for my 3 month cleaning . I kept my appt for the 6 month checkup in Nov because I can’t wait to see the reaction from my hygienst. I let you know how it goes. My prayers have been answered. Thank you sooo much Global Tonics. You saved me.
October 8th, 2007 at 6:34 am
Evelyn
That’s great news. You are improving right on schedule.
If you are like other Periogen users, your improvement will continue during the next few months. At about six months, your pocket depth will close up nearing the limit of your mouth’s ability to heal itself in the short term. Your next dental appointment will be important in that if all your pockets have closed to 6mm and under, you are home free - as your Waterpik WP100 + Periogen use will keep the tartar and infection out of your pockets indefinitely. You then may choose to reduce your Periogen applications to once or twice per week.
It’s a Brand New Day!
October 25th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
I’m about a week into using Periogen. Still too early to tell, but it seems to be working. Not clear how much is due to Periogen vs. WP + Pik Pocket, but it does seem to be having an effect on tartar along the gumline, and possibly even above the gumline (I normally accumulate tartar very quickly). Could be Hawthorne Effect, of course, as I’m paying extremely close attention to my dental hygine generally in connection with trying Periogen.
Some questions/comments:
1. When will the clinical study be conducted? I see that you’ve registered a study, but no info online about when/how it’s going to be conducted.
2. Did you realize that the only place you disclose that it’s a powder (and not, say, a dissolving tablet) is on this blog? This was a bit of a surprise, and measuring it out is a bit fiddly and I’ve spilled a fair bit in the sink.
3. I found using the pik pocket to have something of a learning curve, but I’m getting the hang of it now.
4. Should I expect to see improvement in above-the-gumline tartar, or am I just imagining this?
October 29th, 2007 at 12:03 am
Hi there, A periodontist friend of mine told me about your product. I’d really like to know more about it. I own a yahoo group for periodontists, hygienists and dentists who like to chat about periodontal therapy and I’d really like you to join and chat with us about this new product. We do have an open mind and would like to know more! Here’s the address: www.yahoogroups.com/group/periotherapist. I look forward to hearing from you. Lynne Slim, RDH, MS
December 7th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Congratulations on the clinical study at Harvard! I have been an avid follower of Periogen for a few years now and have heard rumors of the pending trial but they have not been confirmed until now. I love the pipe cleaning analogy.
Good luck and I look forward to the trial results next spring.
Marc W
December 10th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
So, FYI, things went pretty well at my cleaning/checkup — still some tartar to scrape, but without prompting, my hygenist said there was a major improvement and suggested putting me on a less frequent cleaning schedule. MUCH less bleeding than usual. I do have one 6 mm pocket that doesn’t seem to have been addressed, I suspect that the Pik Pocket isn’t quite getting to the bottom of it, so I’ve ordered the Pocketflush.
Still curious about the details on the study — someone posted about a Harvard study, what’s the scoop? Also, there seems to be another product called Periogen that’s some sort of implant?
December 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
Douglas,
I’m glad to here about your progress. When they lessen your cleaning frequency you are winning the battle.
An Indian company likes our name Periogen and has begun to use it. We have complained, but it’s pretty lawless over there from an intellectual-property standpoint. Their product is bone regenerative in nature. Hope it works and that they find a good name for it!
Yes, we have a study pending at Harvard. They are talking about January to start. I will publish the study protocol when I’m allowed.
December 18th, 2007 at 1:15 pm
I am not sure if I am a good cantidate for your product or not. I had crowns on my sixteen front teeth about two years ago.. I have always cared for my teeth, brushing and flossing daily. However, I have cut my gums at times with the floss and it normally stops bleeding within a halfhour or so. My present problem is I have had some degree of bleeding from between my canains and first bicuspids only on the upper teeth for about two weeks.. I take a blood thinner which is regulated very well and aspirine. . I have stopped the asprine. Bleeding is minimal as evidenced by a CBC. I wonder if there is anything that I can do to increase the firmness of my gums whereby I can use dental floss without causing the bleeding..
December 19th, 2007 at 8:18 am
First of all, what does your dentist say? Dentists are your experts.
Periogen is best used in concert with traditional treatments for various levels of periodontal disease, primarily those caused by tartar accumulation. If your dentist tells you that your bleeding is tartar related – Periogen will most assuredly help with the bleeding. Additionally, minor infections are reported to be eliminated with regular use, as Periogen is also an effective anti-microbial compound.
You may also find that Waterpik use alone may provide some relief. If you buy a Waterpik Ultra from us, I’ll give you a sample bottle of Periogen and you can see for yourself what works best. If you order, please remind me in the comments section on check out.
January 9th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
I have a very advanced periodontal condition, which I have been maintaining for 23 years. I have had periodontal surgery five times. I still have five and six millimeter pockets all over my mouth.
My condition is so sever that I have been spending about five hours a day cleaning my teeth. That includes brushing, proxy brushing and flossing after every meal, cleaning to a polish every surface of every tooth after every meal. It was the only way that I could save my teeth. I have been living as a prisoner of my condition.
I started using Periogen just about two months ago. My teeth haven’t been this clean in a long time. I still have several pockets which still feel like they have some tarter in them, but I think that I am reducing the deposits gradually. My teeth have not been scraped since I started using the Periogen.
Over the years I have tried: goldenseal packed around the teeth all night, olive oil administered with prayers; with the waterpik: listerine, salt, backing soda, hydrogen peroxide, glycerin, iodine… I can’t remember what else. Many of these things had beneficial effects, but none of them removed the tarter.
I am now spending only about two to two and a half hours a day cleaning my teeth and I think that amount of time will be reduced even more when I get the last pockets completely clean.
Periogen is the first really promising product that I have seen.
Dave
January 14th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Hi
I bloged sometime last fall and am so happy about the results I am having with PERIOGEN. I said I had an appt set up in November for a cleaning. The hygenist kept saying, well its not perfect but there is a lot of improvement.Then as she started measuring the pockets she became more inquisitive about what I was using. I told her but she pretty much ignored what I was telling her. She actually said “sometimes things get better and we don’t know why, then they will get worse again. I told that I was sure that was not going to happen. She seemed to be very puzzled but did extend my cleaning from every 3 months to 6 months. Oh yeah the pockets measured 3 and 4 and one 6 form 6 and 9!!
She is a good hygenist in a limited sort of way. I just found the whole incident rather amusing. I left the office with a smile on my face.
Another question though. Can I use perigen on my dog. She is 13 and has a lot of tarter build up. I don’t want to put her under general anethesia because of her age. I just concerned if she swallows some of the Periogen. Would that hurt her? Could I make a paste with another product and just rub on the teeth and gums then wipe it off? Please advise.
Evelyn B
January 15th, 2008 at 1:30 pm
I have tried every product and followed my dentist’s recommendation, but until Periogen, nothing worked. My gums are as healthy as they ever were. Thank you!!! Your offer of free Periogen is great! I’ll be doing my friends and family a great service and get something in return.
Thanks and have a great day, I’m already there.
January 17th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Your product sounds very ,very interesting. I do have a few questions though.
1. Is there any risk of Periogen dissolving the cementum or enamel of your teeth?
2.To what degree, if any, can Periogen restore clinical attachment, reduce PD, induce alveolar bone regrowth, etc; on a 2nd mandibular molar with a 5 mm vertical pocket and 5mm horizontal grade II furcation?
3. The tooth described above was recently rootplaned and has been ultrasonically scaled quite frequently. Irrigation is being performed daily and often twice daily with Water-Pik using H20 with H2O2 and/or salt and baking soda. The pocket is also irrigated deeply every day with .02% chlorhexidine gluconate or H2O2 using a nylon tipped cannula some hours after Water-Pik irrigation.
4 Recently, and only upon WaterPik irrigation, this tooth’s pocket emits an unusual odour until it is flushed out, yet the periodontist says there are no signs whatsoever of any infection present. However, the periodontist prescribed 400mg bid each of metronidazole and ciprofloxacin for 10 days. This did not stop the odour which, again, only appears upon irrigating the pocket. Can Periogen stop this problem for me?
Thanks for your help! (I hope I did not accidentally post this twice!
January 19th, 2008 at 6:53 am
This is a first time contact and I have to admit, I’m not much of a blogger.
My story about my gum dilema is such a long one with alot of twists and turns and find it difficult to chop the story down and still do justice.
Keeping it brief - 9 months ago, I sat in a dentists office with two very loose teeth (back molar and dropped front tooth) and infected gum tissue. He wanted to pull them both and then have the scaling done by the hygenist. I set up an appt. to have them pulled and went home and cried and prayed. I’ve always been a fighter in life and I couldn’t accept the thought of loosing my two God given teeth without a fight since the dentist would not replace the molar with anything and only give me a fake retainer tooth for the front one.
I got on the internet and did my homework. I read alot of stuff. I ordered a bottle of the Periogen and an irrigator with the special tips and the next day cancelled my appointment to get my teeth pulled. After a couple weeks on Periogen, my gums and teeth started feeling better.. I went back to the dentist to have him file down the front tooth, because it was hard to eat with it hanging down. For the first 2 to 3 months I used periogen daily, lots of warm salt water rinses, herbal toothpastes and the irrigator. I got the infection under control and my gums slowly started turning pink. The pain and bleeding in my gums started diminishing and gum pockets reducing. Every 2 wks. or so, my teeth would shift. I kept pushing on my front tooth to try and get it back in place. I worked my way to using Periogen down to every other day. 5 mths. later, I bought me a Night Guard and cut it up to mold around my top front teeth only to stabalize my front tooth at night. I also started using Dr. Katz Periotherapy toothpaste and rinse. A month ago, I had my teeth cleaned. Both the dentist and dental hygenist are kinda of dumbfounded by the route I took, but I still have all my teeth with no infections and I never had to take any antibiotics and no scaling.
My 2 teeth are still a little loose because I lost alot of bone around them but they still function.
Periogen worked great for me and I still use it a couple times a week for maintenance. My next cleaning is in June.
Thank You ! for the product. Sincerely, Sharon
January 19th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Hello Mario,
I can tell you what I know. In answer to your questions:
1. Cementum is damaged by pathogens excreted from certain bacteria, and occasionally from careless root planing. Periogen acts only on dental calculus, a loose accumulation of calcium phosphate salts and debris. Enamel is unaffected.
2. With the elimination of calculus, the primary home of destructive bacteria, periodontal pockets are free to close to the level of existing cementum. We have documented pocket closures of 12mm to 6mm, 8mm to 5mm, 6mm to 4mm, and 5mm to 3mm. Not more than 50% of closures, in any case, have been due the reduction of inflammation. These closures have all been maintained indefinitely with routine maintenance use (two applications per week) of Periogen.
Periogen contains no bone-regenerative ingredients; any that occurs is natural.
3. We have tested Hydrogen Peroxide as well as its big brother Chlorhexidine Gluconate, against Periogen. All are strong anti-microbials and work about the same with regard to infection; however, as for calculus dissolution, only Periogen works. Also, it is not advised to use H2O2 or Chlorhexidine for more than 90 days. Periogen is comprised of polyphosphates which can be applied daily – in perpetuity is needed.
4. Deep pockets often excrete “grassland” odors which are caused by natural processes from the bottom of even healthy pockets. After a day or so, these pockets may fester and infection follows. We have found that daily irrigation with Periogen decreases and eliminates this problem, although this pathology is not yet fully understood.
I hope this helps your investigation.
January 19th, 2008 at 8:22 am
Sharon,
Keep it up! It’s a brand new day!
January 22nd, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Hi,
A few comments. You say amazing results within a few days but then there are people who are taking Periogen for months. How can you tell within a few days if there’s anything happening? Does tartar have a particular taste or smell when it is disolving so that you know that it is?
Have you tried testing Himalayan salt brine against Periogen? “If used consistently, your teeth will become whiter, and tartar will dissolve.” [using salt brine] Maybe the salt brine can be used in conjunction with the Periogen if it’s at all effective in the long run.
Sounds like you have a great product that will help people get off the dental merry-go-round. Well done!
I’m going to give Periogen a try as I have one deep pocket that hasn’t improved. Andrew
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:35 am
Thank you, Andrew, for submitting these good comments and questions. Let me address them:
1. The “amazing results in a few days” are from two factors. The first is that Periogen has strong anti-microbial qualities, so infection diminishes immediately. The second is that the upper disease layers of sub-gingival tartar are easily dissolved by Periogen as they are the least “cemented.” Pain from infection is noticeably reduced in a few days after Periogen use has begun. People using Periogen daily for months are completely eliminating tartar accumulation, and enjoying infection-free gums all the while.
Only your dentist, preferably one equipped with a microscopic Perioscope, can confirm tartar dissolution in periodontal pockets. If you own a periodontal probe, you can confirm for yourself any pocket reduction from reduced inflammation and pocket re-attachment. (We do not claim to completely eliminate periodontal pockets; but a healthy, tartar-free pocket will naturally reduce to the best state it can, depending on existing cementum.)
2. Any salt, including table salt, combined with an ion source, can act as a tartar dissolver. I don’t believe any dental professional, however, would recommend irrigating gums with salt. We use a safe dental industry ingredient, Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STPP) to get the job done.
3. There are many factors to the “dental merry-go-round” as you aptly put it. Periogen simply eliminates one vital link in the chain, subgingival tartar, thus breaking that seemingly never-ending cycle.
January 23rd, 2008 at 8:58 am
Yes, this product saved my gums!!! Prior to using Periogen my Dentist
was treating me for gingival inflammation. I used Periogen daily as
instructed and on my next visit(4 to 6 month later) to the Dentist he told
me their were no more signs of inflammation in my gums and that my gums looked great. He told me to continue doing what i was doing.
Thanks a lot.
January 23rd, 2008 at 9:16 am
Tilda,
Isn’t it nice to be charge of your own affairs?! Tell a friend about Periogen!
January 24th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Before using Periogen I had very deep pockets that my dentist insisted that only surgery could fix.
I started using Periogen religiously in the morning and at night, I even applied some to my toothbrush. After 30 days I went back to my dentist who was amazed at how much the size of my pockets had reduced. I love this product my gums feel healthier and even though I still have some pockets my gums are nowhere near the condition they were in before using Periogen.
January 25th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Sharron,
I will never tire of posts such as yours. Good that your keep your dentist in the loop, as he or she remains the final arbiter of your dental health. A good periodontist may be the final solution to your remaining stubborn deep pockets, but isn’t it nice to have time to make some choices?!
January 25th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Quick question, I have severe pockets and see my hygienist every 3 months. I’ve been keeping it pretty much in check by brushing, flossing and using the waterpik. Can you tell me if this will clog my waterpik and also what is the best way to clean the reservoir and tips? Can bone loss be reversed? sorry for all the questions, but looking for any answers. Thanks
January 27th, 2008 at 7:11 am
Hi Fran,
Periogen would likely improve your common pocket situation. You’d find out for certain at your next 90 day cleaning!
Periogen will not clog your Waterpik – and we have never had any report to the contrary. Sometimes mouthwash can leave a residue, and clog up the tips. In that case you soak parts in, and flush with, hot water. You will not need that process with Periogen.
I occasionally read about reversing bone loss. This question is best directed to experts like at periotherapist@yahoogroups.com.
January 28th, 2008 at 6:54 am
I was told by my dentist that I would definitely need root scaling and maybe oral surgery. I then searched the net and found Periogen so I ordered the waterpik ultra and Periogen. Two months later I returned to the dentist and they could not belief the improvement in my gums. They don’t want to see me for a year now. Thanks so much!
Thanks again, John
January 28th, 2008 at 7:02 am
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February 3rd, 2008 at 6:53 am
Hello! My name is Ronda D’Angelo, and I wanted to let you know how much I LOVE, your product. I wish you could have been there when I went to my Periodontist, for the first time after starting Periogen. They were speechless! These are the people who drained me for about $20,000 for 7 surgeries, that did nothing for me. I really wish that I would have known about your product before I went through the surgery hell. It was the worst. My Periodontist was so shocked, that they wanted to see an empty bottle of mine, and wanted to know more about it. I gave them your web-site, so they could get more information. They have been telling their patients about it, and also told them the success I have had using it. My pockets have closed up some, and I still use it pretty much every day, at least until my pockets close up a little more, then I will go to every other day. I did get your email about free Periogen, for sending new customers to you, but I have no idea who any of the patients are, that my Periodontist has told about it. I really do not personally know anyone who would need to use this. If I do, I promise to let them know about it. I also wanted to ask you a question??? My second shipment of Periogen, was very crystallized, and not like my first and third shipments, which were more of a powder. I still used both bottles, but to me, it seemed like it may have been defective in some way. It was crystallized, and not powdery at all. Do you know why it could have been that way? I just thought that I would ask you. I am starting to get low on my Periogen, so I will need to order soon. I have a ton of unexpected medical bills–not covered by insurance-for my son. He has 2 more appointments this week, to add to the total. As soon as I get caught up, I can assure you, that I will order from you right away. Thanks for a Fantastic product! It has been a dream come true for me. Thanks!
Sincerely,
Ronda D’Angelo
February 3rd, 2008 at 7:32 am
Hello Ronda,
I have been on the receiving end of those surgeries too; it’s difficult to describe the months of post surgical discomfort, isn’t it?! I was led to believe that the surgeries were a permanent fix, only to be told a year later that I needed round two! It has been over two years since that moment, and Periogen has saved be from the scalpel.
Glad that you too, are now getting relief with Periogen.
That shipment of Periogen that seemed more crystallized than the others was from a production run where we left some ingredients in a rougher form (on purpose). We didn’t fall in love with that derivation and returned to a more finely milled finished product after that. All bottles of Periogen released are functionally equivalent, though.
Don’t worry about you next order, because it’s on us. It will ship Monday.
It’s a Brand New Day!
February 4th, 2008 at 9:08 am
I’ve read your blog. I’m going to try out your product. I would love to be able to read more about how to use your product, as this info is missing from the website. If it is a powder, what is the amount that you use? How long will 3 bottles last? Thanks, I’m hopeful this is the alternative to a gum graft.
February 4th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Dear Dr. Kirschner,
The instructions for Periogen are located on the bottle label. Each bottle contains a small one gram spoon which provides about 45 applications.
We recommend one to two applications per day via an oral irrigator (we recommend a Waterpik Ultra). As your condition improves, usually within a few weeks, you may reduce applications to once a day. We recommend 90 days of daily use followed by a visit to your dentist for re-evaluation.
February 5th, 2008 at 2:48 am
I’m a young woman in my 20’s who’s been fighting periodontal disease for a few years due to a genetic predisposition and past orthodontic work that left my gums susceptible. I had painful periodontal surgery a couple of years ago which temporarily solved the problem of swollen, bleeding gums for about 2 years thereafter. Then in August of 2007, my gums flared up again more aggressively than before. I could hardly eat or drink without pain. My gums literally poured blood everytime I ate, brushed, or flossed. I was miserable and losing weight. This lasted for about 2.5 months, even after trips to the periodontist and dentist. It seems their metal tools just couldn’t reach far enough below the gum line to remove the tartar that had caused the inflammation. I was afraid I’d be in for another surgery or worse—tooth loss (which is crazy because I have never had a cavity in my life, I brush & floss after every meal, and rinse with Listerine twice daily!)
ENTER PERIOGEN! I went online desperate to find a solution to end my suffering. I read some testimonials and purchased the product with some skepticism, and a lot of desperation. It was the best $100 I ever spent! The first night I used Periogen with the water Pik ultra my teeth and gums felt cleaner than they’d ever felt before. I woke up the next morning and immediately noticed that my pain had been significantly reduced (for months I awoke to painfully inflamed gums making talking very difficult).
I brushed my teeth and much to my surprise, the bleeding had also significantly decreased. I continued using Periogen, and within about 2 weeks, all of the bleeding had subsided and most of the inflammation was gone. Another month yielded even more improvements and my gums began to heal and form healthy tissue, even in my most problematic areas, where my pocket depths were 5-6 mm, even after surgery.
After my last visit to the dentist in December 2007, my pocket depths were reduced to 3-4 mm (a huge improvement for someone whose pockets ONLY imrpoved with surgery).
Now in February of 2008, I continue to use Periogen once a day every other day, still working on one last trouble spot which is just slightly inflamed. Periogen has completely resolved ALL of my other trouble spots (and there were MANY—in fact, between every single tooth I had serious perio pockets, including the hardest to reach super deep perio pocket between my back molars that was full of tartar deep below the gum line).
Each night, I look forward to the refreshing, pulsating jet stream of Periogen to conclude my daily dental hygiene ritual. I sleep better at night and awaken in the morning with much fresher breath than I ever thought possible. $100 for Periogen certainly beats a couple thousand bucks on painful perio surgery. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND PERIOGEN FOR ANYONE WITH PERIODONTAL DISEASE!!! FIVE THUMBS UP!
February 5th, 2008 at 7:58 am
The only thing I can add is to profess the deep satisfaction I feel being involved in the Periogen Project! Thanks for the Blog!
February 5th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
I’ve received the Periogen and it feels real good in the mouth. I guess the tartar bacteria aren’t too happy though cause I feel them screaming!
Following up on your comment on my last question. Actually more holistic dentists would recommend rinsing with a salt solution and the Himalayan brine solution would make it that much better in my opinion as there wouldn’t be any abrasion from the salt. But I do believe Periogen is an even better solution for people with tartar build up at least in the short term.
Here’s another tip. If you have an abscess try eating plenty of raw cashews or raw cashew butter as well as keeping the area clean. The oil will draw out your abscess in no time - within a day or two and the cashews taste pretty good too.
There’s just so many things we can do these days to improve our teeth and our health and in the near future there will be even more options like regrowing our teeth.
I’ve had problems with my teeth all my life but I’ve learned to do my own research and experiment a little and not just allowing the dentist to rule my mouth. We need to take the care and time to look at the options and change of practice which is not always the quickest route to fixing it because it demands something of us.
It’s truly a brand new day!
February 6th, 2008 at 3:04 am
A week ago, my dental hygienist informed me that I need root planing. I did some research on the process and periodontal disease and - indirectly - discovered Periogen. I received my order yesterday. I followed up with a call to my dentist to postpone my root planing for two weeks while I use Periogen. The hygienist got defensive, called Periogen an antibiotic and said that the gums would actually pull away from the teeth if any particles stayed between the gums and teeth. Where does all this defensiveness come from? Based on what I’ve read, Periogen is not an antibiotic and seems to be a viable option to root planing. Do you find many dentists being defensive like mine was?
February 6th, 2008 at 7:44 am
Hi Tony,
Your hygienist is mixing Periogen up with some other product. You are correct, though, Periogen is not an antibiotic. Periogen is anti-calculus (anti-tartar) and anti-microbial.
Yes, we find some dentists are skeptical about any home-care dental product, and rightly so. There are plenty of crazy oils and extracts out there claiming to treat periodontal disease. Periogen is often lumped into this group of “potions.” My hope is that a successful independent university study will place Periogen into a brand-new category: anti-calculus agents that interrupt the cycle of periodontal disease. That study is ready to roll pending some administrative activities at Harvard.
It’s your choice, but I would complete a 90 day Periogen regiment and then go back in for another evaluation. I would bet that “root planing” would be off the table at that time.
February 21st, 2008 at 7:46 am
I would also like to try your product. It has always seemed strange to me that in this day and age the only way to remove tartar is by the barbaric act of scraping. Really dentistry has not improved all that much since the middle ages. It is just more expensive. I asked my hygenist once if moving her scraper from pocket to pocket could spread infection around my mouth. She said no one had ever asked her that and that bacteria was all over the mouth anyway and no it wouldn’t hurt it. I reasoned that if I had a staff infection on my hand , I would not probe it and then poke myself some other place even though staff runs around our hands all the time.. Thats a good way to spread an infection.
I do everything right, irrigate , floss, own a zillion dollar toothbrush, eat healthy, and have very little tartar build up on my teeth above the gum but I still have loose teeth. One thing I have found dissolves tartar, is a mild rinse of apple cider vinegar. It softens tartar and you can brush it away little by little. I always rinse with baking soda , so my enamel doesn’t soften but I haven’t been to sure about using it under the gums. It also works slowly. Chemistry is odd, that acid will put tartar into solution and now I learn so will salts. I will definately try your product, the thought of losing teeth is extremely depressing.
February 22nd, 2008 at 3:59 am
Update from Dave with an advanced periodontal condition, which I have been maintaining for 23 years.
I have been using Periogen now for about three months and I have all of the pockets completely clean. I was taking about five hours a day to clean my teeth before, but now it only takes fifteen to thirty minutes after each meal and my teeth are completely tarter free. All bleeding stopped after about the third day of using Periogen. Now, there is no more redness, no more soreness, no more swelling, the gums are nice and tight and a nice healthy pink color.
I want to respond to a comment by a certain very learned doctor, on the periotherapist web group, for who’s opinions I have a lot of respect. You can’t get tarter off of your teeth with a placebo effect and you can’t get tarter off of your teeth with the power of suggestion.
I have a comment to make about the amount of mix needed. When I first started this treatment I needed about ten cups of mix to throughly clean all the pockets and even now, I am going on maintenance, I still need about four cups. Of course I have a larger number of deep pockets than most people.
God bless all of you with a better life.
Dave
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:00 am
I would like to try your product.
Do you ship to all foreign (non-USA) countries?
How much does the 90 day supply weigh? I am trying to caclulate what Fed Ex would charge to get the product to me.
If I irrigate twice a day with periogen, will three bottles last for 90 days?
I could not find any shipping cost information on your website.
Thank you very much for this blog, it is very informative.
February 22nd, 2008 at 4:01 am
I would like to try your product.
Do you ship to all foreign (non-USA) countries?
Yes
Do you accept foreign Master and or Visa cards?
Yes
How much does the 90 day supply weigh? I am trying to caclulate what Fed Ex would charge to get the product to me.
Three bottles ship as 1.5 lbs
If I irrigate twice a day with periogen, will three bottles last for 90 days?
Not quite, each bottle has 45 one gram doses.
I could not find any shipping cost information on your website.
It has it, actually. If you move further into the shipping calculation, International “Best Avalaible” is $12 per pound via the US post office.
Thank you very much for this blog, it is very informative.
You are most welcome. It’s a Brand New Day!
February 22nd, 2008 at 8:47 am
Dave,
Great news!
Now that your pockets are clean, I would love to hear about pocket reduction.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:24 am
David,
We do ship internationally, the USPS charges $12 per pound. A three bottle Periogen shipment weighs 2 pounds. If you follow the check out procedures, this charge is automatically calculated for you with the “best available” international shipping selection.
A three bottle Periogen set is good for 135 one gram doses, once a day, or 67 days, twice a day doses.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:08 am
It’s amazing how much more circulation there is to the gums after a month or two on the Periogen. The gums definitely feel more alive.
March 5th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Hi there! Can periogen be used by pregnant women as pregnancy gingivitis is very common? Many thanks Alison
March 5th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Hi Alison,
The ingredient list of Periogen is not fundamentally different than that of tartar-control toothpaste. Check with your doctor!
March 7th, 2008 at 12:07 am
Hi,
I was wondering about any side effects of periogen and the general safety of usage. Are there any safety ratings for the product.
March 8th, 2008 at 6:46 am
Vill,
There have been no adverse side effects reported from daily Periogen use in short or long term use (two years). All ingredients have an FDA rating of “generally considered safe.”
March 11th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
So are you all saying that if I use Periogen that I won’t have to sit through another “cleaning” with my hygienist?
March 12th, 2008 at 4:30 am
Nicole,
No, you will have to sit, but it will not be another “cleaning.”
Let me summarize the feedback we have received with regard to Periogen use and visits to the Hygienist. These are not just claims made by Global Tonic; they are actual customer reports to us. A few are in this Blog, the rest are from unsolicited e-mails – and they are all the same.
If you have periodontitis with painful symptoms, getting your teeth cleaned is a nightmare. Periodontal probing for pocket depth is painful – the probe hits the bottom of one infected pocket after another, often releasing pus and blood along with the endless spikes of pain.
The “cleaning” portion is often worse. Your hygienist will try to scrape off as much tartar under your gums as they can, most commonly using “blind scraping” or ultrasonics. Deep cleanings can be so painful as to require Novocaine and sedation just to keep you from leaping out of the chair and running for the door.
Many endure these procedures every three months
Periogen use will turn that around by your next visit. Periogen dissolves the upper disease layer of tartar in the first weeks of use. This completely reverses Periodontitis and eliminates infection. With infections gone, your gums heal to the best of their ability. After 90 days of daily use, you will not mind getting probed, because it will not hurt. It is also a rewarding experience when they tell you that your pockets are closing!
As for scraping tartar under the gum line, there may be none to remove. So your very next visit may go so quickly and painlessly that you actually enjoy it!
In the longer term, it has also been universally reported that cleaning frequencies will be moved out from 3 months to 6 months and even to 12 months.
Give Periogen a try. As advertised, if you are not completely satisfied, we will refund your money.
March 13th, 2008 at 2:36 am
I have this great little squeeze bottle applicator for deep pockets. How long does the periogen stay in solution once you’ve mixed it in water? Can it keep for a day or 2 in my sqeeze bottle as i use the bottle up? How many times a day do I use it? Normally I irrigate twice daily and apply stuff to deep pockets twice. Do you want to flush deeppockets or will just a squirt do?
March 13th, 2008 at 8:05 am
Trout,
Periogen will not fall out of solution, so you are free to pre-mix in another container. Yes, always flush the deep pockets, otherwise they might go back into infection mode. Sounds like you have a good system, tell us more…
March 16th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Have you heard of periowave? Some holistic dentists are using it - it’s a antimicrobial laser treatment. My partner had this procedure and is now on the periogen and she’s loving how it’s feeling so far. BTW I had a huge pocket close up quite quickly, couple of months, to half it’s size or more but I also use some natural remedies in conjunction with the periogen.
March 18th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Hello,
Just a word of warning for anybody considering buying from outside of the U.S - namely Customs Charges on orders
I’ve been hit with a charge by UK customs of £12.50 which is roughly $25. This additional charge is actually 50% of what the goods were worth, which is ludicrous.
I’m not blaming Globaltonic, however i’m posting this as I feel that people should have the right to be informed, especially those in the UK who may be considering placing an order - and it may also apply to other international customers too, depending on their countries own customs policies.
March 19th, 2008 at 6:45 am
Wow, 50%! I thought UK VAT was only an outrageous 18%! Your order was only $50! I am open to suggestions to get that number down. We list the item as a dental product; does that make Periogen a luxury item?
We sent some free samples to Kings College in London, and they complained of a VAT charge similar to yours. Don’t know what happened with that situation, it should have been zero. If I could skew Periogen as a food supplement, VAT may be waived; however, breaking import rules could be problematic, obviously.
On the shipping end, we used to use UPS for international, which is quite expensive for our customers and a lot of paperwork for us. As it is now, we literally have a staff member (usually me) wait in line at the local post office to ship USPS Priority Mail, just to get shipping down to under $15.
We are talking with a possible partner in Ireland which may mitigate some of these problems. In the mean time, sorry for the government tax and I hope you find the relief from Periogen well worth it.
One other problem with UK (my favorite country after the US) is that bathroom outlets lack the power necessary to run a decent Waterpik. How are you getting around that? Do you use the kitchen sink?
Best things about the UK – S&K Pie, Fish & Chips in a Newspaper, Incredible Lamb, Old Pubs.
Worst thing about the UK – having to shout at your American brother to “KEEP LEFT!” after every roundabout.
Cheers!
March 19th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Hello,
Actually the customs charge was only about £4 ($8) the rest was kindly added by the UK post office as a customs handling fee!
Everything you hear about Rip Off Britain is true!, from our $10 a gallon gas prices to buying goods from the U.S, we get taxed on everything!.
I think the main problem is the fact that the goods are sent US Postal Service to UK Postal Service, because goods which are handled and delivered by the UK Postal Service are more likely to draw interest from customs. Goods sent by carrier, are usually more likely to get through, although of course it is a 50/50 gamble either way. Obviously the charges for shipping via UPS or DHL are likely to be far higher as you have already said.
You could also try labeling the goods as “Health Supplements” - after all your product is aimed at oral health is it not?, so I don’t see how you would be doing anything wrong by stating that. Again this isn’t a magic solution but it might be worth trying.
The UK doesn’t apply duty on goods imported which have a commercial value of below £18 (roughly $36), so the only real way around the customs charge would be to buy the single Periogen at $29.95 ‘as required’ although this is likey to work out more expensive in the long run with seperate shipping charges and missing the multiple buy discounts, and more trips to the post office for you!
We can also buy from the EU ‘duty free’ without any import charges or duty, so hopefully if your Ireland distribution chain works out, there will be a lot of people in the UK anxious to use your product.
Sadly, our electrical regulations forbid the use of sockets in bathrooms, probably because our higher mains voltage of 230V brings an increased risk of electrical shock around water. There are however many wall light fitments for use over mirrors which are fitted with sockets (similar to your 2 pin variety) for use with shavers, and the Waterpik works fine when run from those!.
I look forward to using your product, and wish you every success with your business.
March 19th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
I’ve been importing supplements from the US for years and the best service is provided by FedEx. With USPS you may not get your delivery for ages and when they hand it over to Canada Post they’ll tax you and charge you for taxing you. Double whammy! It’s better to get charged more and taxed less, while having your package tracked. With something as important as Periogen you don’t want to wait literally weeks and weeks for your delivery. Once the volume to a country is large enough then you can make deals with these services and bring the cost down. After your initial trial it’s best to put in a large order and pay the price and have peace of mind. I’d also suggest the cost can be deducted as medical on your income tax.
March 20th, 2008 at 1:15 am
Is there any concern for people that premedicate for cardiac defects, joint replacements etc? Thanks
March 20th, 2008 at 6:37 am
Mary,
Periogen is a dental rinse, so only minute quantities are actually consumed. Also, all Periogen ingredients are common in dentifrices, most notably tartar-control toothpastes. Ask your doctor if he or she has a concern over the use of tartar-control products.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
I just received your Perio Sarter Kit and Pocketflush Deep Pocket Applicator. I also got your mouth mirror. I spent a half hour trying to get under the gum with the plastic tip of the syringe. All it did was bend. I know I have some deep pockets (8s)in the back and some in the front top teeth where i have crowns. This is why I bought the syringe. Can anyone tell me how you get under the gums with this Pocketflush? Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.
March 21st, 2008 at 7:15 am
Barbara,
This is what works best.
Set the Pocketflush down for a few weeks. Instead, use the Waterpik with the Pik Pocket tip, on a low setting, perhaps 1/3 to start, and slowly draw the tip around your gum/tooth margin with the Pik Pocket actually touching the margins. If you know exactly where the pockets are (like from your dental chart), great, otherwise you will learn where they are as they probably will ache a little with the introduction of Periogen and water. When you locate a pocket, loiter the tip over it for a few extra moments and let Waterpik “pump” the Periogen solution into the pocket. As your comfort level increases over time as infection is eliminated, you may increase the pressure setting accordingly.
Do this once or twice a day for a few weeks. You should then know the trouble spots that remain (if any).
Get the Pocketflush out and practice first on pockets you can see and easily get to. There is a learning curve, but that is why we sent you spare tips in case you break a couple. It is best to slowly slide the tip down the tooth and into the margin and pocket, rather than poking at it. If you try some pockets in the back, but are fighting your cheeks, order a Cheek Retractor to eliminate the interference. The goal of using the Pockflush is to get troublesome pockets to reduce in depth so you don’t have to use the Pocketflush anymore and just use the Waterpik.
Please give this procedure a try and report your progress!
March 22nd, 2008 at 2:01 am
Thank you for the ideas on how to use the Pocketflush. I had deep pocket cleaning done on the right side of my mouth a few weeks ago. I am scheduled for the left side the first week of april. How long should i wait before using the periogen in the the Waterpik after this procedure?
March 23rd, 2008 at 1:57 pm
What is the fluoride content as compared to regular toothpaste?
March 29th, 2008 at 9:00 am
Barbara,
The basic premise of Periogen is to avoid deep cleaning as much as possible - as Periogen dissolves the calculus they would otherwise try to scrape off. Having said that, only specialty periodontists have the equipment to verify what is being cleaned (they use a microscopic Perioscope to video calculus formations; very smart stuff). Otherwise, you are getting a “blind cleaning” that removes some of, but not all, calculus formations. It is our stated position that ALL calculus must be removed or periodontitis will still thrive in your pockets.
So what to do if you are already in the “deep cleaning” cycle? We would always advise you to do what your dental professional tells you to do. However, there is no risk in delaying these procedures if you are in a Periogen regiment, in our humble opinion. Eliminating infection and busting up calculus with Periogen can only simplify deep cleaning and scaling procedures.
We never consider Periogen as a post-operative treatment in the short-term. Your dental professional knows best. If you desire long-term relief from the discomfort of the accumulative nature of tartar and calculus, we are your best bet.
Remember, our product has a no-questions-asked money-back guarantee.
March 29th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Andrew,
Fluoride toothpastes have a fluoride content of about .15%. Their goal is recalcification (anti-cavity.)
Periogen uses fluoride in a concentration of .04% as an ion source in a concentration of a sequestrate solution for the purpose of dissolving tartar (calculus). One gram of Periogen is dissolved in one cup of water, so the quantity of fluoride is very small per “dose.”
April 14th, 2008 at 6:07 am
Hi, I don’t have a waterpik, I have a hydrofloss… I assume this does not matter ?
Also, can I mix periogen in with Therasol oral irrigator solution?
My order should be in very soon, I’m looking forward to see how it works…
thanks,
Mike
April 14th, 2008 at 8:35 am
We prefer the Waterpik Ultra with the pik pocket tip because it is really kind to the gums while drawing the tip along the gum-tooth margin. I am looking at a Hydrofloss above me on a shelf and recall that their tip is a sort of insert-in-the-pocket type. We wanted to love it, but we don’t believe it is the easiest to use.
Periogen does not need Therasol to be more effective. Periogen is a strong anti-microbial on its own. If you wanted to “supercharge” Periogen, add 2% or 3% Hydrogen Peroxide to your solution.
Here’s how – fill your irrigator with ½ cup HOT water, and add a spoonful of Periogen. It will dissolve in seconds. Next, add ½ cup of Hydrogen Peroxide. The resultant temperature should be pleasant to apply. Irrigate along the gum/tooth margin as indicated.
Hydrogen Peroxide helps because it is the best debridement chemical available to consumers. This allows the anti-tartar ingredients in Periogen to work their best. Our debridement additive, TKPP, is a fine chemical and one indicated for indefinite use, while Hydrogen Peroxide is often recommended for no more than 90 days of daily use.
Check with your dental professional with these issues before striking out on your own.
April 17th, 2008 at 4:40 am
Update from Dave with an advanced periodontal condition, which I have been maintaining for 23 years.
I have been using Periogen now for close to six months and the pockets are completely clean. Once there is no more tarter in the pockets, the gums re-attach to the teeth, the pockets are still there, but they are healed over and closed. It is not necessary to irrigate the depths of the pockets anymore, but rather I am just irrigating along the gum-line as a preventative maintenance. Now, I only need about three cups of the Periogen mixture. It might be possible for me to do the job with as little as two cups, but I like to be thorough. My gums are very sensitive to even the smallest amount of tarter.
I don’t have certain information about pocket reduction because I did not have the pockets mapped for about five years before I started the Periogen. Bone regeneration is unlikely in patients with large a amount of horizontal bone loss, such as I have.
God bless all of you with a better life.
Dave
April 19th, 2008 at 5:19 am
I rinse with ACT after using periogen…. does this practice hinder its effectiveness?
April 19th, 2008 at 5:27 am
Mike,
If you are just swishing ACT around in your mouth, it will probably not reduce Periogen effectiveness in periodontal pockets. Definitely do not waterpik with anything after Periogen, as it is key that Periogen remain undisturbed for as long as possible.
April 29th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
It’s been about two weeks since I started using Periogen. It’s also the first time that I have used an oral irrigator.
On the first use I bled in two areas, but since using the irrigator with periogen I have not bled at all, including when I floss. Before, I would always bleed when I flossed (you can imagine why it was not my favorite activity).
In the first week, I filled the irrigator with half water w/ periogen and half hydrogen peroxide. I used the irrigator twice a day, 3 cups each time. After the first week, I have found that I only need to use 1.5 cups (still using the half-and-half mixture).
I can feel a difference. Besides the areas in my molars where I was bleeding, I had bad calculus buildup on my lower inner incisors that prevented me from really feeling a distinction with my tongue from tooth to tooth. Now, I can feel the teeth.
I am anxious to completely get all of the calculus off of my lower incisors because I cannot stop probing them trying to get the teeth clean of any material that is stuck to them. Subsequently, my tongue is sore from rubbing on the edges of the calculus that is still there.
I am interested in speeding the process and have begun brushing once a day with salt/baking soda/hydrogen peroxide mixture, in addition to brushing with Crest pro health toothpaste.
I am also considering incorporating a vinegar rinse before I use the baking soda mixture… but am not sure yet as to benefits.
May 6th, 2008 at 6:25 am
Mike,
You are right on track. We have ample reports that using Periogen daily in combination with regular dental cleanings will remove and keep tartar away both above and below the gum line.
May 16th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Used as just a rinse and not in conjunction with an irrigator, will Periogen dissolve tarter above the gum line?
May 16th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
We have no study to support that. We will conduct such studies in time.
If you want an opinion, we have ample reports to assert that if you are on a three or six month cleaning schedule, and you use Periogen once a day, supragingival tartar deposits will be less than with no Periogen use.
June 9th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
My husband has bad periodontist disease and I am looking to get your product for him. I have a question though…Does Periogen kill the “good” bacteria in your mouth along with the bad?
He used an oil product in the past that really helped with the pain and the bleeding stopped completely. It also helped with the odor. It claimed to kill the bad bacteria in his mouth but not the good bacteria. Can you speak to this? Thanks!
June 9th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Hello Summer,
The “good bacteria” vs. “bad bacteria” is a marketing gimmick. All bacteria replenish themselves in a matter of minutes. The only thing that matters long term is eliminating tartar under the gums. With tartar dissolved, there will be no more established microbial colonies, and gum disease will halt completely. This is what root planing and scaling procedures try to accomplish via scraping.
Periogen is the only product which actually dissolves tartar under the gum line.
June 21st, 2008 at 4:40 pm
I am very interested in your products. They would save me so much money and time that I would normally have to go to the dentist. My only concern is that I use the products correctly. Is there a in depth instruction manual or video that will show me exactly how to get to the deep pockets? Even a web site of a dentist doing a rooting and scaling would be helpful. i hope to purchase your products for me and other family members by the middle of July. My pockets are in the 3-4 range, so how will I know how deep to go. My last question is does it hurt to insert the chemical in the pockets?
June 22nd, 2008 at 8:37 am
Priscilla,
Periogen, or any other home-care dental treatment, is no substitute for going to the dentist. You simply can’t diagnose and treat every dental problem at home.
Having said that, if your dentist has diagnosed you with periodontal disease - caused by the build-up of tartar, then Periogen is the answer to your problem. Periogen, when used regularly with an oral irrigator, (preferably a Waterpik Ultra with a PikPocket tip) will dissolve the offending tartar and thus eliminate your negative periodontal conditions.
We have a video from Waterpik available on our home page. Made primarily for dentists, it clearly shows how the PikPocket tip flushes deep into pockets when drawn along the gum-tooth margin. The Waterpik/PikPocket combination can easily reach the bottom of 6mm pockets and beyond, so your 4mm pockets are of little concern as far as Periogen application.
Irrigating with a Waterpik can cause a little discomfort when first applied to diseased pockets, but with Periogen in the reservoir, this discomfort will subside after a few applications. This occurs because Periogen dissolves the disease layers of tartar almost immediately. Tartar is the undisputed home to periodontitis-based bacteria; and with tartar eliminated, those bacteria simply have no place to live. (This fact is why simple hygienist cleanings to expensive periodontist root planing and scaling all focus on tartar elimination.) With infection gone, Periogen use is not only painless; it is universally reported to be pleasurable. This provides for routine Periogen use that keeps tartar and infection away for good.
A concise instruction sheet is included with your Periogen purchase.
Make sure and order a PikPocket tip for each of your family members, just as you would a tooth brush.
Good Luck. It’s a brand new day!
June 29th, 2008 at 1:32 am
Thank you so much for your help. I am very excited about using periogen.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
I have been using the periogen with the hydrogen peroxide for the past 10 days and cannot say enough about your prodcut. I distinctly see a difference in the tarter that has already dissolved.
I found your blog by accident about 2 weeks ago and feel that I have found a gem! Bravo for such an incredible product.
July 14th, 2008 at 6:21 am
Kathleen,
Sounds great!
Dentists routinely recommend hydrogen peroxide to their patients, but we don’t like people to use it more than thirty days or so – just a jump start to your Periogen routine. Use Periogen with just warm water after that.
Keep it up! You are winning the battle!
August 3rd, 2008 at 4:59 am
Since your product dissolves tartar, how can I be sure that it will not dissolve my tooth enamel over time with repeated use? For the past year I have receive “debridement” treatments every three months and I understand that the sonic nature of this treatment erodes or removes enamel as well.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
I just read about your product…the whole blog. i was so interested that i purchased three bottles. My periodontist said that i might need surgery and i squirmed at the fact. He said that my gums needed to be healthy prior to a pregnancy so i will prove him wrong. i feel that this product will help me…my intuition is very strong. Thank you and i will blog you with my progress.
Wishing you light luck and love…namaste…Jenn
August 6th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Hi Jenn,
Periogen will deliver as promised.
Your periodontist is right in that you must eliminate gum infection prior to pregnancy to avoid infection being introduced into your bloodstream, or so I have read.
You will see results almost immediately, so please report back to us soon!
August 6th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Dear Leigh,
Periogen gently removes tartar due to its irregular composition. I will attempt to display the microscopic nature of tartar soon - and it will be obvious that tartar is simply a loose accumulation of calcified bacilli completely unlike enamel.
August 31st, 2008 at 2:40 am
Dear administrator,
I am very interested in your products, and I’d love to try them. However, for the folowing things, it is still unclear for me.
Although you claimed that Periogen helps periodontal disease, there is no professional literature substantiating this claim and I also can’t find any legitimate recognized literature backing your claims. In addition, for the Periogen, is there approval from FDA?
On August 9th, 2007, you mentioned that a clinical study of Periogen is underway at a major US university. What is it going now? I am curious about this clinical trial.
Sorry for the question, but looking for any answers. Thanks a lot.
Sincerely,
Dafei
September 1st, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Commenting on:
The “good bacteria” vs. “bad bacteria” is a marketing gimmick. All bacteria replenish themselves in a matter of minutes. The only thing that matters long term is eliminating tartar under the gums. With tartar dissolved, there will be no more established microbial colonies, and gum disease will halt completely. This is what root planing and scaling procedures try to accomplish via scraping.
Periogen is the only product which actually dissolves tartar under the gum line.
Since I promote probiotics I’d argue that when you remove the tartar you are changing the bacterial population of your mouth to a better balance. Some “good or friendly bacteria” are known to reduce plaque and therefore tartar. Probiotics are specially selected bacteria that are known for cleaning the digestive tract.
BTW, I’ve been using Periogen for about 9 months and having trouble finding any pockets at all. What a problem!
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:52 am
Thanks Andrew,
All true. I just don’t want anybody to be squeamish about temporarily disrupting some beneficial bacteria while improving their gum health. Thanks for the blog.
September 2nd, 2008 at 6:42 am
Dear Dafei,
We are as anxious for clinical study results as you. Harvard has the fully- vetted study protocol in hand, but the start of the study is stalled on a technicality beyond our control. Another university is taking a look at a study, but we cannot force them to hurry it up. We are considering financing an independent private study, but probably not until 2009.
In the mean time, one prominent periodontist conducted the same study on one of his chronic periodontal patients. The results were successful and the video is available on our home page.
As far as the FDA, I don’t expect anything for a few years.
Periogen disrupts and dissolves calculus (tartar) accumulations below the gum line. That fact is not disputed. The periodontal improvement that would result from this would be obvious to any dental professional. As it is, patients have universally reported dramatic improvement in their periodontal condition from Periogen use (per our Blog and hundreds of e-mails).
At this point, all we can offer is the video periodontal documentation, overwhelming positive anecdotal evidence, and a no-questions-asked money back guarantee.
September 25th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Periodontal /gum disease affect almost 90% of population by the age 35. So sharing some knowledge in this field is necessary. I would like to hear some opinions on natural/herbal treatments comparing to usual methods.
September 27th, 2008 at 8:39 am
I am not aware of the 90% statistic; I have read the number is about 50%. One thing is for certain though, unless you are a boxer, periodontal disease is the sole reason you lose your teeth.
Calculus (tartar) accumulations are the vehicle by which periodontal disease progresses. These accumulations house the bacterium that kills your gums and vital attachment mechanisms, namely cementum. Killing the bacteria is great at suspending the progression of periodontal disease, except for the fact that they return within minutes of anti-microbial treatment. Natural and herbal treatments may kill bacteria, but do not help in even the short-run.
This is why the dental industry is focused on tartar removal. Old-school periodontists still focus on flap surgery. For those of you not yet acquainted with this procedure, gums are splayed back via a scalpel to gain access to tartar under the gums, where it is scraped off; and then gums are sutured back together. The unbelievable post-surgical trauma and long-term discomfort from this common procedure is dwarfed by the realization that this is just a temporary fix – and needs to be repeated every few years. The cost of flap surgery is no joke either, $5,000 to $10,000 for a typical 4 quadrant procedure.
The industry is changing for some. With the advent of the Perioscope (a microscopic endoscope) which allows dental professionals to see and remove tartar accumulations without flap surgery, even dental hygienists (in some states) can remove the offending tartar under the gums.
Periogen is a new way of looking at the problem. Periogen, when applied with a Waterpik and/or a periodontal applicator, dissolves subgingival tartar with a simple in-home procedure.
Don’t think of Periogen as a substitute for professional dental care. We all know we have to go to the dentist. Periogen use is most effective in conjunction with regular dental visits.
October 6th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
I was also told I have periodontal disease. I used to have my teeth cleaned every six months. My new hygienist will not clean my teeth because she said there is no sense in doing that until I have the root/scaling planing done. Will Periogen help with the tartar and calculus already on my teeth? I have a huge build up behind my lower front teeth. Thank you for any information you can give me.
October 6th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Dear Barbara,
Periogen will completely dissolve the calculus that would be the target of the root planing/scaling procedures, namely under the gums. In the end, you will still probably need hygienists to keep “the easy stuff” off - the calculus above the gum line.
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Hi,
I was hoping if you could tell me if this product can be used with the waterpik I already have that I bought at Walmart. I was told I have about 5 teeth(all in the back) that are 4-5 mm deep. I was told the hygienist can do the deep scaling/root planing. Is it possible to completely reverse these pockets SAFELY with your product? I don’t want to damage my teeth further. What can be done?? I am only 30 and believe this occured during my pregnancy. HELP ME!!! I am very interested.
October 25th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Hi Tami,
Sorry for the delay.
Yes, Periogen dissolves sub-gingival tartar and will most assuredly reduce those pockets. We prefer the Waterpik Ultra because it has a periodontal tip included. In any case, you may want to supplement the Waterpik with our periodontal applicator which gets to the bottom of the deepest pockets.
Periogen is comprised of polyphosphates and other ingredients commonly found in toothpastes, so it is completely safe. Our special formulation for delivery via an irrigator or applicator is the key.
With sub-g tartar dissolved, periodontal disease will be eliminated, and no scaling or planing will be needed. Cool stuff, huh?!
If you chose the Periogen route, please Blog your results here!
October 27th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I did choose periogen!! However, to be on the safe side, as I work in a medical establishment…I do believe that applied medical science and naturopathy most often work in synergy…for the best results. I am hoping that the scaling/planing will be a one time thing…and hopefully can maintain those results with the periogen! I am very hopeful. It is great that products like these exist!! I can’t wait for you to become ADA (fda) approved!!
Best of luck to you…and hopefully will see you on sale at CVS sometime in the near future!! You need to make this stuff known!! I will definitely blog when I get my results.
Thanks
October 28th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Hi Tami,
If you have had your scaling/planing done, make sure and wait for a month or two before Periogen use - it may feel like putting salt on a wound
October 28th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Thanks for that insight!! It is great to hear the honesty!
I have enough wounds with salt in them, dont need to add my mouth!
ha ha ha — thanks again
November 9th, 2008 at 12:10 am
HI i work for a dentist and recently had my boyfriend checked out and it turns out he has major gum pockets… he said that most likely he will need surgery to take all the plaque from under the gum line. appereantly the x rays show he has major jaw bone loss at the age of 25 i want to know would this product help him remove that plaque??
Thank you
November 9th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Hi Gigi,
It is up to your boyfriend, but I would submit to examinations, and then set an appointment for three months out for re-examination. In the mean time, he should irrigate with Periogen in a Waterpik daily, and supplement the irrigation with our 12mm applicator for any pockets exceeding 6mm in depth. His dentist can provide him with his periodontal charts to help locate these deep pockets, if any.
If he is diligent with Periogen, all subgingival tartar will have dissolved in the 90 days, and his pockets should close to nearly their best possible level, depending on cementum damage.
A re-examination will reveal the true state of his dental health, and he will most likely be in for a far more pleasant dental journey than what is currently in store for him.
Good Luck!
November 9th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
IM 22 AND MY GUMS ARE SORE AND DARK IN PLACES. MY DENTIST ALSO SAID I HAVE LOST ALOT OF BONE? PLEASE GIVE ME SUM HELP
November 9th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Hi Tony,
Bone loss is the result of anaerobic bacteria living in tartar under your gums. This is also the cause of the redness and soreness. To stop this process, you need to not only kill the destructive bacteria, but you must destroy the tartar that they live within. That’s why dentists and hygienists are always scraping at our teeth.
Periogen use kills anaerobic bacteria on contact and completely dissolves the tartar under your gums. If you use Periogen daily, the redness and soreness with diminish immediately and be gone in a few weeks. The tartar under your gums will be gone in 60 – 90 days.
Following that, occasional use of Periogen will keep the offending tartar from returning.
Don’t worry too much about your existing bone loss. If, after 90 days, you don’t have any loose teeth, then you are good to go.
Good Luck!
November 12th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
wat does it mean if i have a tooth loose?
November 13th, 2008 at 6:34 am
Tony,
From what you have told me, you are losing that tooth due to gum infection. If you do nothing, its mobility will get worse until it falls out.
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Hi there,
I am a bad, bad person (at least as far as my teeth are concerned). After the incredible trauma of having my wisdom teeth removed in my mid-20’s (Complications etc. rendered me out of action for 3 months), I resolved that I would brush, floss and rinse with Listerine 3 times daily and forget about the dentist. Bad idea.
I have periodontal disease (I’m now in my late 30’s) and a couple of regions where my gums are very painful and swollen (I brush, floss and rinse them and they bleed like mad). After a visit to a dentist, I was informed I would need tartar removal (no kidding, after a decade or more) and some root canals where enamel had been compromised and bacteria had dug through to the root (cold test gave no results at all).
I’d like to try periogen to reduce the tartar (or hopefully even remove most of it, that would be nice), but I’m wondering if the other conditions present (namely big gaping caries and the beginnings of root rot in a couple of teeth) are going to cause any complications with its use. A pocket probe by the dentist revealed my pockets are pretty solidly in the 4-8mm range, even near the affected teeth, except for one which is 11mm.
Also, will there be any complications from using the product before or after a root canal?
December 9th, 2008 at 3:28 am
I’ve been using periogen for 1 month. I started it three weeks before my scheduled cleaning. I’ve been battling some inflammation and some 5 and 6 pockets for a few years. My gums had become the most inflammed I’ve ever experienced over the last 5 months. I had one tooth that would move slightly if I pushed against it with my tongue.
I noticed some pain improvement within 2 weeks of using it twice daily. The third week (I wanted to kick into gear before my cleaning visit), I added perioxide once daily. My cleaning was the best I’ve had in years. She hardly had to scrape any. There was no inflammation on the top gums. The bottom (2 worse spots) slightly bled. She told me to stop wasting my money on periogen (I showed her the product) that it was just the water stimulating my gums (I’ve used plain water for quite a long time with NO results). She also told me that some people have horrible mouth reactions to a similiar ingredients in tarter control toothpastes. I am very sensitive to chemicals and I’ve had no reactions whatsoever.
One week after my cleaning, my gums feel great. The loose molar has now settled into place. My gums feel tighter. There is no soreness except on the 6 pocket tooth and it is so slight I have to push it quite firmly to feel anything.
I have no doubt that your product helped me. I plan to continue (doing once a day without the perioxide) and maybe ordering the pocket flush applicator to help the last pocket to heal up.
I waited until I absolutely felt significant improvement to write. I am really suprised at how quickly I responded. The initial first two weeks I thought I felt some improvement but I didn’t want to jump to conclusions hastily. The third week really kicked in. I stopped using the perioxide after the visit a week ago. My gums feel great. Thank you.
P.S. I will measure the pockets and report back in a few months.
December 9th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Hi Aaron!
There is no time like the present to get started.
Periogen is a little salt-like, so you may feel some discomfort. You’ll need a Waterpik for general application and a 12mm applicator for any pockets 6mm or deeper.
December 9th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Hello Tammy,
Your response to Periogen is fairly typical. Usually two weeks of use to turn the corner on perio disease, then about two months of use to see a change like night and day.
Your hygienists’ response was fairly typical too. She it confusing Periogen with any one of many anti-microbial potions marketed on the Internet that make bold claims with regard to periodontal disease. Those elixirs are a waste of money. Periogen accomplishes exactly what your hygienist attempts to do – remove sub-gingival tartar. She knows very well that “no tartar = no periodontal disease”. Your next visit should be a memorable one!
December 11th, 2008 at 4:16 am
I’ve been using Periogen for about 2 months, have used up my starter kit and am about to order more. It definitely works - I’ve had much scaling and scraping over the years, gum surgery on one side (couldn’t face having it on the other side although it was recommended) and still deep pockets. My loose molar is better, bleeding has definitely lessened and I’ll know the real results after my next visit.
My only complaint (and it’s not stopping me from re-ordering) is that shipping to Canada is really expensive. I was charged a little less than $50 for a $100 order. It would be great if I could buy the product directly in Canada.
December 11th, 2008 at 5:06 am
Hi Pam,
Thanks for using Periogen and glad it is working for you.
Yes, UPS charges a rate of $15 to $18 which we collect for them; then they collect additional fees for Canadian Customs at your end! I’ve gone ’round and ’round with UPS and they claim that there is no other way and that their fast service is well worth it anyway…you Canadians will have to be the judge of that! I know the post office, which we have tried, takes over a month to get to a Canadian address, and there is no tracking.
I think on your last order you were hit extra hard because the Starter Kit included a known commodity, the Waterpik WP100, which customs has caught onto. Your order for Periogen alone will ship tomorrow, so please keep us advised of how long it takes and what they hit you up for!
Until we figure something else out, I have been advising new Canadian “Starter Kit” customers to try to find the Waterpik Ultra WP100 part of the kit locally.
December 23rd, 2008 at 4:33 am
Can you use this twice a day or do we use it only once a day before bed? Also when we go over our teeth should we take our time is there a recommended amount of fluid oz we should try to cover our teeth with? When we our finished should we rinse our mouth with plain water or allow left over product to sit in mouth?
December 24th, 2008 at 7:22 am
Here is a proven plan:
Less is more. Use just one spoonful of Periogen in just one cup of warm tap water and irrigate just your gum-tooth margin quickly for about one to two minutes (about the time the irrigator runs out). If you have deep pockets mapped out, loiter the Waterpik tip in those areas for a few moments each, or follow-up after with a deep pocket applicator. Don’t rinse if you don’t have too. You may do this once or twice a day; your choice. After recovery, say following two months of use, you may back off to a couple of applications a week to keep sub-g tartar away; however, there is no harm in continued daily usage if the routine suits you.
January 16th, 2009 at 4:07 am
wat is recesson and mucogingivival. can yor product help
February 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 am
Hi,
NEED HELP SOON!! I just ran across your blog here after doing endless searches on Google to try to find some help for my dental problems.
My teeth on the bottom are really loose, I feel like they are about ready to fall out if I can’t do something really soon! I am 47, and a year ago, finally went to a dentist who said I had severe bone loss, and needed to have the tartar removed from under my gum lines. I think they called them ‘pockets'’. I didn’t have this done, couldn’t afford it at the time. I am really encouraged by the stories I have just read on your blog, but I don’t know if they apply to me because of the severe bone loss? My gums have really receded, and my teeth are also really sensititve to cold. Do you think your product will work for my situation? This is the first time I have optimistic at all. I have not been to your website-I’m guessing the address is: global tonic. com? I am going to check out your product on the website.
Wow, I’m actually feeling hopeful for the first time.
Looking forward to hearing your reply,
Sincerely,
Heidi
February 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
Heidi,
You came to the right place. Yes, Periogen can help. Get the Starter Kit to start you off, with perhaps our “deep pocket applicator” as an addition. Once you use Periogen for a few weeks, your periodontitis should be at bay and you’ll have some time to think.
“Bone loss” is a big scare word used by dentists to get you to have extractions and buy implants. Follow the money – thousands of dollars they will make. Use Periogen instead to dissolve tartar under your gums and watch your loose teeth set back in. If you need further improvement after a few months, find a professional in your area who uses Emdogain; a simple non-surgical treatment that closes pockets up even further.
Good Luck!
February 7th, 2009 at 4:07 am
Just found your product.
I have had this problem since at least 1964.
So you know how many times I’ve been in the chair.
Is the WP-450 any better or worse than the WP-100???
I am seriously considering trying your program, and wondered wether the compact nature of the 450 would be a problem? Maybe not enough capacity.
Anyway, thank you for any help!
Bob P
February 7th, 2009 at 4:45 am
Hi Bob,
We wanted to like the WP-450 for delivering Periogen, but found it to be a bit underpowered for this application. We have tested literally every oral irrigator available in North America and have found the Waterpik WP-100 Ultra with a Pik Pocket Tip to be the best for periodontal pockets.
If you can get Periogen to the tartar under your gums, you’ve had your last deep cleaning.
February 9th, 2009 at 1:52 am
I am having issues with gum problems. My dentist suggested I see a periodontist for a “deep cleaning” and I was also told the same by my orthodontist. I’m 38 and just invested a lot of money in invisilign braces. I had several unrelated setbacks during my invisilign treatment so what was origionally supposed to be 18 months is now going on 3 yrs of wearing invisilign…irrelavant but I feel they contributed to my gum problems..and that is just my personal opinion.
So I was told I need the deep clean and was given a price of roughly $700. I made the appointment and had to cancel because of unexpected expenses that came up in the mean time. I am glad I did, I’m very hopeful about what I am reading and I am really expecting to be impressed with this product. I ordered yesterday and can’t wait to get started. I was told by the dentist and periodontist that I have 4-5mm pockets and that after my cleaning I should be ok for a while with my gum health….so I feel I am a good candidate for this.
I will definately post my progress for others to see as I go along. I really hope this works…thank you so much for the hope (and the potential money savings of the alternative)
Cindy
February 20th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Does Periogen also help with the treatment of bad breath since it is essentially killing the bad bacteria in your mouth?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:47 am
It’s been 90 days since I started using a water-pic and the
Periogen. Before I started this treatment my last cleaning showed several 6 & 5 level pockets with considerable bleeding in many spots. Reason for concern. I just had to report that yesterday I had my first cleaning since starting the water pic and periogen….nothing short of amazing! NO 6’s or 5’s and only a few 4’s! The hygenist said my mouth was really healthy and was so pleased with my progress! My dentist said whatever I was doing to keep it up, it was working. I showed him one of my Periogen bottles and after looking at the ingredients he told me it was all good stuff in there. I have always hated going to the dentist for teeth cleanings. They just plain hurt. This was the easiest, pain free cleaning I have ever experienced. I’m hooked on your product and would really like to thank you!
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:32 am
Hi Cindy,
You are an excellent candidate for Periogen; with pockets well within easy reach of the Waterpik Ultra with a Pik Pocket tip. Expect pocket closures of 1-2mm on your next visit as well as a dumbfounded look from your hygienist. You’ll love your new tartar-free pockets as probing pain will be eliminated. You are on the easy road to recovery from gum disease!
Please report back to us!
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:45 am
Hi Lisa,
Periogen does much more than kill germs. Periogen destroys where the germs live and breed. By dissolving tartar, those smelly bacteria have no home, so in addition to killing them outright, their replacements have a tougher time multiplying.
There is no other treatment that dissolves tartar. Periogen is the permanent solution to bad breath.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:59 am
Hi Marsha,
Isn’t it nice to discover a product that is 100% effective? We here at Global Tonic took on gum disease with a vengeance. It was obvious from the start that dissolving tartar was the key. (That’s what all the scraping is about at the dentist’s office!) You can maintain your much improved dental health with occasional Periogen use – just enough to keep the tartar off, or like some, use it every day to keep your teeth squeaky clean!
Nice post. See how everyone wins? You are healthy and happy, your dentist is pleased, and we here can go to sleep knowing we have helped you.
March 5th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Hi! I have posted before. My husband had pockets as deep as 14 mm. He used your product and his pockets went down to 6’s and 8’s and a few 10’s! Thank you!
We are faced with another situation. He went to the periodontist yesterday and they told him that he has to have his teeth removed - all of them - immediately. They said that, although his pockets are smaller, the bacterial has receeded his bone so badly that the teeth are only still present because the bacteria is what’s keeping them in. I don’t believe it but I am not a periodontist. Can you verify that this is possible? He has not lost any teeth but they are loose. Due to financial reasons, we could not purchase your product after the first dosage was gone. Now the pain is back, the bad breath is back and then he gets this report from the dentist.
I have a few questions and I ask you because I trust your judgement:
1. Is it possible for the bacteria to be the only reason why his teeth have NOT fallen out?
2.If he does have servere bone loss, can it grow back if we use your product to remove the tbacteria that is there?
3. Is it possible for the pockets to close up and the bacteria to still be under the pocket, keeping the teeth from falling out?
The dentist is charging over $32,000 (yes, 32,000 dollars) to remove all teeth on the bottom, give him implants, remove all but the 4 or 6 teeth in the front on the top, and give him a temporary bridge. We don’t have this $ and we don’t have a house to take out a loan. Can your product help reverse this and help him to keep his teeth with continual use? What is the best regimen for this situation?
My husband is trying not to be depressed over this. PLEASE HELP!
Thank you!
March 5th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Hi Summer,
Sounds like a cocky, sarcastic SOB. I wouldn’t believe a word he says. I think you should have your husband send his X-Rays to Judy Carroll at Peak Dental Group. Although Periogen can restore pockets up to the limit of undamaged cementum, Judy’s use of Emdogain in her non-surgical treatment can re-grow bone and gum and close up pockets all the way, in some cases. This will save his teeth. Her one-time treatment is a tiny fraction of the cost of a Periodontist.
Check out www.periopeak.com for some pretty amazing before/after evidence. Periogen use fits in nicely with her treatment because it dissolves the tartar that would be the time-consuming start of Emdogain treatment.
March 6th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
I am at risk for losing about 2 teeth. Do any other dentists offer the Emdogain treatment?? I am from Providence, RI.
Please…help! This is a very depressing situation..
Summer…wish your husband Luck for me…my heart goes out and I wish you the best.
~~ tAMI
March 6th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
I am at risk for losing about 2 teeth. Do any other dentists offer the Emdogain treatment?? I am from Providence, RI.
Please…help! This is a very depressing situation..
Summer…wish your husband Luck for me…my heart goes out and I wish you the best.
~~ tAMI
March 6th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Anyone interested in Emdogain should start with Judy Carroll (vision@periopeak.com). If you can’t make the trip to see her, she may be able to locate a colleague nearer you.
Don’t miss the point that you have to keep the tartar off your teeth below the gum line in order to control anaerobic bacteria colonies. Gum surgery, endoscopics, Periogen, whatever the method, keep your pockets clean! A solid Periogen regimen prior the endoscope use may have you Emdogain-ready at the time of your appointment.
March 9th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
I have been in touch with Judy Carroll. Her procedure is unique only to
the Seattle area. I have advanced periodontal disease with 5-6mm
pockets throughout my mouth. I have significant bone loss and my
4 lower front teeth are mobile. I have seen 2 dentists who have quoted
me costs for everything from scaling and root planing to LANAP with
4 extractions and either a partial denture or permanent bridge - cost
$12,000 - $22,000. I have just started using Periogen and am hoping
for the same results I have been reading about on this blog. I am having
my dental records sent to Judy. I can fly to Seattle, have her procedure
done, and fly back the same day for a FRACTION of what these 2 dentists
have quoted me… AND her procedure results in regeneration of bone.
I am very excited to have found both Periogen and Judy Carroll. Keep your fingers crossed for me.
March 12th, 2009 at 6:21 am
Hi Kim,
I just got back from seeing Judy Carroll and getting her RPE Protocol with Emdogain. Yes, the administrator of this Blog has periodontal disease; that is why I have so much empathy!
I have some travel advice that I’ll add later, but I have some great advice first.
When Judy says use the doxy twice a day for two weeks prior to seeing her - do it, as it stops bleeding that may diminish Emdogain effectiveness.
But the #1 piece of advice I have is to USE YOUR PERIOGEN! I am an average Periogen user; I just spray my gum tooth margin once a day for about a minute and apply some directly to a couple of known pockets with a deep pocket applicator. What I neglected to do, however, was pay attention to behind my back molars. So Judy was just going around my mouth, commented how great Periogen worked on me, and how all the tartar below my gums was gone or just fell right off when…Bamb! “I found a spot you didn’t use Periogen!” I don’t numb up well, and I spent the next few minutes wishing I was more thorough with my Waterpik and Periogen. I had “that nasty black tartar” on the back side of a rear molar at 6mm that she had to remove manually.
With that slip-up on my part aside, the experience was terrific and I recommend her procedure to everyone.
When traveling to see her, I recommend staying at the Silverdale Beach Hotel, and to get a third floor room over-looking the water ($79 - well worth the extra $10 to watch all the birds and what-not in the evening and morning). The hotel is very comfortable and also has the only real restaurant in town with a chef - Josef’s (I don’t much care for “The Olive Garden” and fast food when given a choice). I chose to get served in the bar and had the Duck (fabulous) and a small Caesar (which you shouldn’t get because Judy reminded me I had garlic breath the following morning)!
It was great to meet Judy and she is everything I hoped for and more. I plan on returning in June to get some “after” photos and X-Rays, which is not required, but I want to part of the science of RPE.
March 13th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
I have some questions about the RPE procedure. Was there any
degree of discomfort (other than the back molar) during or after?
How long did the procedure take start to finish? What was the
depth of your gum pockets before the procedure and were any of
your teeth mobile? What results do you expect from the procedure?
Cost?
Thanks for the hotel recommendation. Is it close to her office?
Judy’s website advocates the use of Periogen. I’ve only been using
it for a week. I’m doing 2 applications per day, 1 spoonful in 1/2 cup
hot water and 1/2 cup hydrogen peroxide. Have to admit, my gums
feel alot better. I did experience the ache in a few teeth after I started
using it, but that has subsided. Is there anything I need to be doing
differently or better?
March 14th, 2009 at 5:17 am
sorry to keep bothering u with questions, I just frequent this blog often.
I wanted to know…sometimes after I BRUSH my teeth with periogen (I thought this would be good…) I feel my teeth move slightly. They almost click up and then down. Is this normal? Does that mean my teeth are mobile? I know the periodontist said I had a tooth with 1+ mobility..what does that mean? My pockets were originally only 3-5 mm deep and I had only a little bone loss according to the Panorex x-ray. However, I have some gum recession on the back lower 4 front teeth. Is this common? and they can fix this? When will amdogain be available elsewhere?? and most importantly, how much does her procedure cost???
March 14th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Hi Kim,
Your Periogen use sounds perfect for pockets 6mm or less. We have found that adding some Hydrogen Peroxide to the reservoir does speed things along. If you have deeper pockets, use the 12mm deep pocket applicator on those in addition. That little ache at first is normal; the infections don’t like being disturbed.
Understand that I am a bit of a Lab Rat. I purposely only used one cup of water in the Waterpik Ultra with one spoonful (one gram) of Periogen once a day, and then supplemented with the applicator on two of my four known very deep pockets. During Judy’s procedure, one of those pockets was “Emdogain ready” and required no additional cleaning; the other required a little work (she was looking for a tooth fracture that an endodontist had guessed was there. There ended up not being one, which saved me at least $5000 for a scheduled extraction and implant).
I did not have any other discomfort besides behind the rear molar. She did have cleaning to do below 7mm in a few pockets where the Ultra couldn’t reach. If I had used the deep pocket applicator in those pockets, that may have been avoided. She did numb me for those, so I didn’t feel a thing.
I was at her office for 4 hours, but if I were asked under oath how much of that time I thought was actually spent removing tartar, I would say 10 minutes total. It was a very leisurely visit without any stress or pain. I didn’t tell her, but I have ordinarily been adverse to Novocain and needles, but she is an A+ pro and just got it done without me being bothered a bit. I think knowing that this was a one-time procedure combined with a warm trust in her and her abilities made it the best dental visit I can remember.
I had one mobile tooth, which I expect to continue to firm up in the next few weeks. It has only been a couple of days, and it feels great already. My regular dentist said extraction was the only option, but I now realize it was just the only option for him - not me! I had some pretty deep pockets in places (>10mm) and will have them re-measured in three months. Before Periogen use, I also had a mouthful of lessor pockets, but those all closed up on their own some time ago.
The Bremerton office Judy works out of is about 10 minutes from the hotel. When following Map Quest, I thought I was hopelessly lost in the country (there were only three turns) but the office appeared right on schedule.
I paid $2500 for the procedure, $100 for the flight, $50 for the car, $79 for the hotel, and $100 for the duck dinner and a bottle of wine, including a big tip. I wouldn’t change a thing.
March 14th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Hi Tami,
This Blog is all about questions, and yours are no bother.
Lots of people brush with Periogen. It really cleans the teeth, doesn’t it? We stick stubbornly to the below-the-gum-line tartar removal aspect, as this is a key to eliminating gum disease, but the public still finds other great uses for Periogen.
Yes, if you feel your teeth move, they are mobile. I am not a dentist, but I suspect your pockets are a bit deeper than 3-5mm.
Many periodontists use Emdogain. Emdogain application closes periodontal pockets by establishing a bio-matrix that welcomes pocket regeneration. The process periodontists use, however, is horrifically surgical including splaying your gums open to gain access to sub-gingival tartar in order to scrape it off prior to Emdogain application.
There is another way. Using an endoscope, a clinician can achieve even better results, without surgery. The periodontal endoscope (nick-named “perioscope”) allows the dental professional to actually “see” tartar below the gum-line without surgery and remove it. With tartar eliminated, Emdogain can work its magic.
The only dental professional in the US that we have found that combines the painless Perioscope procedure and Emdogain is Judy Carroll at www.periopeak.com.
If there is another anyone has heard of, please chime in.
March 16th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Hi, I will be purchasing your product soon as Judy Carroll did recommend it for maintenance. I just wanted to chime in about Judy Carroll and the RPE procedure. Judy just performed this on me on Friday (3/13) at the Mt. Vernon location. I really liked her and she is very good at putting you at ease. Very-little-to-no discomfort with the procedure. Post procedure there was just mild discomfort and a metallic taste due to the pink-tinged saliva I kept spitting out (very slight residual bleeding). This only lasted about a half a day. The idea of having bone loss and a couple of loose teeth is what sent me searching for solutions as my dentist was ready to start yanking.
Aside from the spic and span cleaning and emdogain you receive, the perioscopy is an awesome diagnostic tool. It will help identify other areas of concern with your dental health. She will be sending a full report.
I am quite dentaphobic, and believe people really need to question the need for ‘quick solutions’ like pulling teeth willy-nilly. In my personal experience, it seems to be a way for the dentist to get it “out of the way” in order to move on to more profitable areas of treatment (like implants, veneers, whitening, etc). I frankly don’t care that my teeth aren’t the whitest around, I am concerned with the overall health of my mouth.
For me the procedure was $2800. Two nights stay at the Cotton Tree Inn which included full breakfast buffet, $168, weekend rate with Dollar car rental was $37, airfare was about $300 from Texas (husband came along, so actual was $600).
I’ll try to report back as to the progress of improvement and bone growth. Judy said I shouldn’t irrigate for a month so the pockets can heal. I am addicted to oral irrigation, so this is going to be the hardest part for me. As soon as I am able to irrigate again, I will be back to purchase your product. Thanks!
March 17th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Hi Judith,
Just curious what size your pockets were and how long the procedure took.
Did you have loose teeth and how were they classified? My 4 lower front
teeth are Class III. Of course, my dentist is anxious to extract and put
in a permanent bridge - $10,000.
My dentist emailed my records to Judy yesterday and I am anxious for
her consultation. I too am dentistphobic so I am thrilled to hear that
her procedure is relatively pain free and that she is good at putting
people at ease.
March 18th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Just wanted to know if after using periogen you need to wait to drink liquids or is it safe to drink soon afterwards. Also curious to know what you think about the perio protect tray system for periodontal treatment and if anyone has experience with the ayurveeda practice of oil pulling.
I ordered Periogen about a month and a half ago and will post changes when I go back to get checked. Also not 100% sure how to aim the tip of the irrigator if it should just be along the border of the gumline with the teeth, or pointing up aiming inside the gums.
Thank you
March 19th, 2009 at 8:52 am
recieved my two months supply today
March 19th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Hi Kim,
Yes, I have loose teeth, Judy said they are class I… a couple are quite loose, but I think the class system is not necessarily how wiggly they are, rather, how much bone is lost around the roots… some of my tooth aren’t loose at all, yet Judy said all my molars are at class I… kind of surprised me as a couple are quite wiggly, so I thought they might be a class II or more… which is why I believe the class system relates to how much bone has been lost, not necessarily how wiggly they are. The majority of my pockets are 5-8 with one being a 12. The 12 is currently abcessed and I had to stop the low-dose doxy and take amoxicillin. Judy cleaned it out real well and I need to get a root canal asap. I can really tell the difference being off the low-dose doxy… it really tightens your teeth, so, mine are feeling loose again. Procedure took about 4 hours. I wish you much luck however your proceed. Not a fun club to be in is it?… the dues are way too high!
March 20th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Hi Judith,
Let me chime in here. If Judy Carroll indicated a root canal was necessary, trust her. If it was someone else, let me tell you my saga.
I had a molar with an adjacent deep pocket blow up on me in December, and I insisted to my dentist that we give amoxicillin a try before any big procedure. Two weeks later the problem was all but gone. When I returned in February, their endodontist told me that he was 99% sure that I had a root fracture, and that a root canal would be ineffective – I needed extraction immediately and to begin the implant process.
I smelled a rat and went to Judy Carroll first. She cleaned the pocket last week and found no root fracture using her endoscope. She applied some Emdogain – and so far so good; the tooth fells great. Time will tell, but I can definitively say that one cannot blindly trust a dental professional when ten thousand dollars is at stake. Thank you Judy.
March 24th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Administrator, any answers to my post of 3/18/09?
Thank you
March 24th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Connie,
Sorry, your post slipped by me. If you avoid drinking liquids an eating after applying Periogen for ½ hour, Periogen will have more time to work on the supra-gingival tartar (above the gum line). Eating and drinking right after application will have no negative effect below the gum line.
The Perio Protect system is a great way of applying an anti-microbial solution to the gum/tooth margin, but that is probably about it. The notion that you can put something on your gum line and then have jump to the bottom of a diseased periodontal pocket is a real stretch. When using a periodontal tip with a WaterPik Ultra, Periogen can be delivered down to 6mm and that’s about it - and that is using a pulsing stream of water.
Anti-microbials are just a band-aid, anyway. Periogen goes after tartar, where the harmful bacteria live.
Never heard of oil pulling, but if unrefined oil is good for you, why not make a salad dressing and eat it on some greens?
Point the Pik Pocket Tip so that it shoots strait down under the gum line. We have a WaterPik video on the homepage that shows this in action. The tip should touch the gum/tooth margin to ensure your aim is right.
March 24th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
I received my Periogen yesterday and will begin using it today…..Wish me luck!!!
March 25th, 2009 at 4:19 am
Good Luck! (but you won’t need it…)
April 1st, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I did contact Judy and sent my husband’s x-rays to her. She says she can help! We only need to collect the money to get out there (we live in NJ). I am thinking of doing it in early June and make it an anniversary trip. I am excited that there is hope and that Judy can help my husband keep his teeth. He isn’t using Periogen at the moment but we will be getting it again ASAP. Thanks for your comments, administrator, I will keep you posted.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
i have been using Periogen for 3 weeks. four my teeths are still wiggling. i dont see any improvement using Periogen. should continue to extract my teeths…more update coming soon…
April 7th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Kevin,
You shouldn’t be in a hurry to have your teeth pulled. Implants are no panacea.
You just started using Periogen to try and reverse years of tartar build up and pocket development. It may be several weeks more before your teeth will start to settle in.
This is a good time to review how you are using Periogen, however. I reviewed your order and saw that you just ordered Periogen but no application means. How are you getting Periogen to the bottom of your periodontal pockets?
Follow the instructions that are on each bottle.
If your pockets are as deep as 6mm, you must apply Periogen with a Waterpik Ultra using a Pik Pocket tip. If you try using a different tip or different irrigator, chances are the Periogen is not getting past 4mm. Most importantly, the Pik Pocket tip must touch the gum-tooth margin and be pointed strait down for lower teeth, and strait up for upper teeth.
If you have pockets deeper than 6mm, you must apply Periogen with a 12mm Deep Pocket Applicator.
Review you procedures, and continue with your Periogen series. Periogen will restore your periodontal health to the best state your body can achieve on its own. If that state ends up not being good enough for you, contact Judy Carroll at Periopeak.com for a possible one-time Emdogain application.
So, you have a few things to try before letting anyone near you mouth with a pair of pliers.
April 9th, 2009 at 6:26 am
hi, i been using OI by Waterpik/Ultra-yellow tip….will follon your instruction again.
Thanks,
April 9th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
My periodontist says that I need to have my upper molar #13 and #14 pulled. He also wants to do some grafting as he said I have severe bone loss and he wants to do implants. My endodontist agrees with him. I have had gum surgery before. The 2 teeth he wants to extract have had root canals and he says there is no other alternative. Would this product be beneficial to me? When there is significant bone loss is the only way out surgery? Any advice you could give me I would appreciate.
Thanks
April 9th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Hi Christi,
Periogen dissolves tartar above and most importantly below the gum line. With tartar dissolved, infection will be eliminated, host response will subside, and loose teeth will settle back into what bone and gum are remaining. It may end up that in a few months of Periogen use those two teeth will stop giving you trouble.
Additionally, after a Periogen series, you could have a non-surgical application of Emdogain, which regenerates bone, gum and cementum. We recommend you have this performed by Judy Carroll in Seattle (www.periopeak.com). The periodontist you use currently may have Emdogain available too, but periodontists turn painless Emdogain application into a bloody gum-peeling surgical nightmare.
Send your x-rays to Judy and she can tell you right away if you are a candidate for her innovative procedure named RPE. Her one-time procedure is basically painless and a fraction of the cost of what you are currently in for. You could always go down the implant road later.
Good luck!
April 20th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
I was recently diagnosed with “intermediate” periodontitist by the periodontist that my dentist referred me too. The only solution he offered was 4 quadrants of Osseous surgery, possible bone graft, possible tissue regeneration, yank to old wisdom teeth while they are at it (Ouuuch). The bill came to around $5,900 with out of pocket around $4,700. I do have widespread pockets in the 5-6mm range.
I scoured the WEB for alternatives to the cut and scrape solution and came up with your Oral Tonics site (Periogen) and have ordered it for a try. Look forward to trying it out. As an engineer and scientist, I reasoned that there must be a better way to eliminate plaque and calculus (by dissolving it chemically) than cutting and scraping since it is a foreign substance on the teeth so your approach makes good sense to me.
I read this entire BLOG over the weekend and it has lots of encouraging dialogue which lead me to believe this might work for me.
I plan to avoid going under the knife by a multi pronged attack on the problem which includes increased dossage of CQ10 and VitC along with my trusty Water Pic and H202. I’ll also try a herbal remedy called Oram Plus while I’m at it ( I have faith that some of these natural cyures do work). Do you see any problems/conflicts with this regimen in addition to your Periogen?
In the absence of clinical tests, I’m going with my gut feel in trying your product. From a marketing perspective (as I’ve also done marketing) you might want to consider a few ideas to convince skeptics:
*Dentist Affiliates - I noticed you have a program for this, are many signed up. You might want to advertise that if there are many.
*Money Back Guarantee - Any idea of percentage of customers that have taken you up on that? If it is small you might want to advertise that. Just a thought
Take that as constructive comment and either way I’m set to ty your product in anticipation of good results.
Looking forward to receipt of my order and I’ll stay tuned here for other results. I’m excited by what I’ve read so far.
Steve
April 20th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Hi Steve,
There is no need to use any of those other anti-microbials while using Periogen. Each application of Periogen kills 100% of the bacteria it comes in contact with along with several layers of tartar. Taking vitamin C is always good for you, they say. If you want to kick up Periogen a notch, add a little Hydrogen Peroxide to the reservoir water.
The only supplementary treatment we have found to be beneficial is a twice daily micro dose of doxycycline (20mg). It is an anti-inflammatory that calms your auto-immune system down a bit. This can be important if periodontal disease has triggered the body into wanting to eject a tooth or two. You need to get a prescription for doxycycline. Check out www.periostat.com for better info.
We have a number of dentists recommending Periogen, just not enough with good websites to link to for a proper “affiliate network.” I guess they are too busy being good dentists to develop good websites.
No customer as of yet has needed the “Money Back Guarantee.” Periogen works 100% of the time. If you can get Periogen to tartar repeatedly, the tartar dissolves. Periogen defeats the electrostatic bonds that hold tartar together, so it’s not like it works on some people and not on others.
We are striving to get Periogen packaged for drug stores so folks can avoid shipping charges. We’ll announce stores that carry Periogen when that time arrives.
April 22nd, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Got your earlier response to my question and appreciate your timeliness, shows me there is someone on the other end although I don’t see much activity on the BLOG.
I passed along info about your product ot both the Periodontist and my trusted Dentist. No response from the Perio guy as I expect he’s too busy making big bucks on surgery (perhaps not fair so I’ll give him another day or so). My dentist immediately called with mild skepticism of the product since it isn’t clinically proven (OK a logical response I guess) since they can’t really recommend non-standard treaments.
Your earlier response indicated I need no additional microbial remedies. My denist did prescribe a Colgate product called PerioGard which I expect you are familiar with (since you have retired dentists at your firm). It is a Chlorhexedine Glutonate solution to be used as mouth wash or in my WaterPik. Given that my prescription drug coverage covered most of the expense I figured why not? It is supposed to be an anti-microbial with plaque dissolving properties. Any comments on that?
Additionally, do you see any downside in using this product (PerioGard) in conjunction with your PerioGen? I don’t want to outsmart myself and compound my condition and I hope you may have run across this sort of question before.
Anyway, I’m pleased to report I just got my shipment from you (just ordered it Sunday so that’s pretty quick) and will begin using it immediately with hopes of good results.
I hope that by submitting this to your BLOG, my questions and your answers may help others also.
Steve
My question
April 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 am
Steve,
We get about 100 emails for every post to this Blog. Some are really good questions that get really good answers that I wish were Blog discussions. They will turn into a FAQ page at some point.
Chlorhexedine is a prescription anti-microbial, but we have not tested it alongside Periogen; basically because Periogen is not a drug and therefore needs no prescription.
I know Chlorhexedine stains your teeth something wicked, and I have read that it actually encourages the growth of tartar. Since the entire purpose of Periogen is to dissolve tartar, it doesn’t sound like a very good match.
Anyway, I wouldn’t use it since I know about Periogen. Periogen alone kills 100% of exposed bacteria, so 110% doesn’t mean anything to me.
Your dentist’s skepticism regarding Periogen is well founded as there is no shortage of periodontal snake-oil available on the Internet. Periogen is the real deal that delivers quantifiable results. Since you received your shipment, you could show your dentist the bottle for a review of the ingredients. All should be familiar as dental safe and effective.
Periogen will speak for itself. Use it for a month or two and then return to your dentist for a check-up. Your periodontal condition will have improved with outstanding, measurable results. If you are like the thousands of others that have successfully used Periogen, you’ll then be back safe and sound under the care of your trusted dentist.
Avoiding root planing, scaling and their related surgical procedures is the gift of Periogen.
April 24th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Thanks for your response to my earlier posts and your confidence in your product is reassuring. I’ve started using the Periogen twice a day in hopes of good results.
Your recommendation on not using the Chlorhexedine with Periogen puts me in a bit of a pickle since that would go directly against what my dentist prescribed. Frankly, my dentist prescribed the Chlorhexedine with a lukewarm recommendation as something to try since it is an “accepted” preventive measure and Periogen isn’t. Hmm which road does one choose? My gut says to go with Periogen for a month or two and look for results so I’m placing my bet on you since your response to the issue at hand showed great confidence.
From an earlier BLOG I recall that the Administrator (you) is a fellow gum disease victim. Since I’m betting on your advice, may I respectfully ask if your confidence is based on personal experience, advice from the retired dentists in the employ of Globaltonics, sales commissions, or whatever? Please take this question in the spirit that it is offered, I’m trying to make a leap of faith here with folks I’ve never met.
Last question pertains to using H2O2. My dentist advised against it although I’ve seen articles in this blog that suggested it for a limited time, 30 days? I’ve also read other accounts of H2O2 as an effective dental hygiene agent. Dentist said something about it doesn’t promote an overall healthy environment in one’s mouth (good vs. bad bacteria thinking?) Any thoughts on that?
As a P.S. to my earlier BLOG I haven’t heard squatt from the periodontist to my questions about your product and alternative treatments (vs. cut and scrape) so I expect he poo-poo’s the whole idea and is happily slicing and dicing gums for big bucks and waiting for me to show up.
Hope I’m not a pest, just trying to work my way through this.
April 25th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Hi Steve,
I like the direct approach. My personal recommendation of Periogen for the treatment of particular gingival ailments is based on my own experience, but only put forth after independent verification by dental professionals. Since these aren’t double-blind studies with placebo, I don’t make a big fuss over them. We just know it dissolves tartar and everyone whose uses Periogen has their periodontal condition improve. Sometimes this improvement resembles a cure for gum disease. Such is my case.
The two retired dentists we employed at the start of this project freely acknowledged that Periogen would dissolve tartar under the gum line, would halt and quickly reverse gum diseases, and periodontal pockets would close up (depending on the level of cementum damage). They also both agreed it would never work – because (they claimed) you could not get people to use Periogen regularly with a Waterpik, and no one would be able to use a periodontal applicator at home.
We are pleased to have proved that theory wrong. Every customer of ours has been able to effectively use a Waterpik Ultra. The periodontal applicator is a challenge for some at first, but people get the hang of it, and after a few weeks they don’t need it anymore; as their periodontal pockets close to 6mm – in reach of the Waterpik Ultra with a PikPocket tip. We have no unhappy customers.
Chlorhexedine is extremely effective at killing bacteria, but what then? It can’t be prescribed for more than sixty days. You have to get the tartar out from under your gums to enjoy sustained periodontal health. Periodontists cut your gums open to scrape it out. Periogen dissolves it away painlessly.
Dentists are all over the board about Hydrogen Peroxide. Some recommend it for a limited time, some recommend it for life. We have observed that it enhances Periogen effectiveness in the first few weeks of Periogen use, but it doesn’t make a difference after that.
If, after a two month Periogen series, you are left with some deep periodontal pockets, I strongly recommend a one-time application of Emdogain, which closes pockets further. The only Emdogain specialist we recommend is Judy Carroll in Seattle. She can be contacted at www.periopeak.com. I have done it and she is great.
As far as sales commissions, I am just part of a company based on truth. I receive no commissions of any kind – my job is to Sheppard Periogen through an industry that is unconscious to the basics of periodontal diseases.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Excelletnt response as usual, I’m impessed with you folks and appreciate your honesty which is reassuring. I’ll continue to throw in a little H2O2 with the Periogen for now as I see no harm in that.
I’ll experiment with the pockeflush gizmo I ordered once I get a feel for where my deepest pockets are but I think I only had a few that were as deep as 7mm. An interesting looking device indeed.
Interesting story about the retired dentists concluding that folks wouldn’t religiously use a WaterPik with Periogen? (it’s quite painless and sort of fun to see all the crap it gets out even after flossing). Given the alternative of oral surgery who in their right mind wouldn’t use it (DOOOH)?
I had checked out Judy’s site in Seattle as part of my earlier research for alternatives and, in fact, it may be the link that lead me to Globaltonics. Hope I won’t need the Emdogain if all goes to plan but Seattle is a nice town to visit.
Best of luck with getting your Periogen on the shelves at my local drug store.
Assuming Periogen works as described, you folks will likely be zillionaire’s pretty soon with the added benefit of having helped a lot of people save pain and misery in the process ( a nice plus), and I wish you the best.
Will let you know results in a month or so once I visit my dentist.
April 28th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Hi!! I just wanted to say that I have been using periogen for a few months now. I don’t use it every day however, I only bought one bottle and I use very little. I originally started off with most pockets of 4 and 5. I did get deep scaling six months ago, and continued to use the periogen. I want to add that I mostly brushed with it. I have not yet invested in a new waterpik. Mine broke. I hear alot of the waterpik ultra, is that different, new updated? what? I might head to walmart tonight.
So, I went back to the periodontist the other day. I have lots of 1,2’s 3’s. Unfortunately, I still have some 4’s and 5’s on all back teeth. My periodontist said it was probably because of the movement from the braces I had taken off six months ago (what do you think of that??)
What can I do to help the 4’s and 5’s??
also, I am a bit obsessive with things, and I have seen a copy of my x-ray, the bone level is definitely not at the tooth margin, I have small black triangular areas throughout…can most of these be restored with emdogain?
I have an appt with Judy Carroll on May 22nd. I don’t really have the money, however I plan on having 2 big yardsales and will be dipping into my son’s bank account (don’t worry, I will pay him back…)
I can’t wait to meet her and get this all behind me. I chose to go to her because my doctor wants me to cut up and “fillet” all of my gums. I can’t bear it. No way. He doesn’t even use emdogain either!! Why bother cutting up all my gums??
I was hoping someone could help me out….in one of the earlier blog posts I read someone went to Judy and paid cheap airfare, a duck dinner and a cheap hotel stay. Does anyone have any ideas how I can keep my cost down during my trip to seattle??
Thanks so much!
TO ALL PERIODONTAL SUFFERERS:: IT IS FRUSTRATING I KNOW, BUT IT IS LIKE ANY OTHER DISEASE…KEEP IT UNDER CONTROL AND LIFE CAN GO ON LIVING…
I will do everything I can to avoid looking like Gumbo at 31.
Does anyone know of any other females facing this situation so young?
It would be nice to know that I am not alone. Yet, my fellow females do not go to the dentist. Some of them never had a single cleaning. I go faithfully, and I am faced with this……???
April 30th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Tami,
You have to get a new Warterpik Ultra. Brushing alone with Periogen will never get those 4-5mm pockets free from tartar.
May 1st, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Thank you!
but also, do you have any ideas as to where to stay in Seattle and any tips for cheaper airfare? Sorry to bother you…I just thought you would know since you already saw Judy Caroll.
By the way, I love the new website look!!